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Pulseironic
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Jeremy Cheng said :
Seeing as how irons have had rules slowly relaxed over the years we could have an official poll that only irons can vote in where jagex will ask should losing items as hcim be changed or not. he should be happy his account wasnt banned. ON CREATION it warns you that this can happen and they wont do anything to undo it. he knew from DAY 0!

27-Jan-2023 00:23:18

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NoobTube139 said :


Rant: In addition to losing a life to something that was completely out of my control, I lost a variety of items that took over 50 - 100 hours of game time to obtain as if I were doing PvP. I find that this is stupidly punishing compared to other game modes.
Mainscape - allows for reclaimable items and had a debatably death cost rework to make deaths less punishing. Normal Ironscape - same situation as Mainscape.
Even the Wilderness has been made "safe" content unless you do a select few activities. Dying in these modes is so inconsequential that it's joke.

Why is that HCIM have to get placed back so many hours due to something that is often out of their control? Isn't losing a life on an account that people spend hundreds or even thousands of hours on enough of a punishment for a client crash, lag, or disconnect?

On top of this, the HCIM doesn't even get to pick what they keep...

I don't believe I am on my own in this opinion in the HCIM community, and I've even heard of players quitting the game mode over this very reason.

/end rant
I feel: 'what is good for the goose is good for the gander' applies there... honestly sounds like a bug if IM can retrieve but HCIM doesn't.
I Highlighted a very important and probably the most relevant part of the post... Pointing out the Thread isn't about PermaDeath(saw a few messages that felt derailing)

The General Idea of IM: Not able to trade(outside of a few items like bonds) or use the Grand Exchange.
The General Idea of HCIM: Same as IM except death is permadeath(outside of a few things)
I have an HCIM myself

27-Jan-2023 01:04:53

NoobTube139
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Pulseironic said :
Jeremy Cheng said :
Seeing as how irons have had rules slowly relaxed over the years we could have an official poll that only irons can vote in where jagex will ask should losing items as hcim be changed or not. he should be happy his account wasnt banned. ON CREATION it warns you that this can happen and they wont do anything to undo it. he knew from DAY 0!

As someone who doesn’t have a HCIM, perhaps you should not discuss topics you know nothing about. A jar of divine light has been available from the start of HCIM mode and your account will not be banned if you purchased it. Yes, they changed that feature in 2019 or 2020, but if you didn’t want to be banned, there was always an option not to be.

I’m not asking for my stuff to be given back or to get the life I lost back. My point is to make the experience more satisfying is that item loss should be reworked. You’re already punished enough for losing the life; why should you lose the items that took hundreds of hours to obtain?

I guess you wouldn’t be able to understand as an Ironman “skiller” though.

27-Jan-2023 17:24:52 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2023 17:42:26 by NoobTube139

NoobTube139
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Tenebri said :
NoobTube139 said :
So are you telling me the game mode isn't difficult if that mechanic is changed? The game mode still has limited lives, and I'm not asking for that to be changed.

nope im saying this is 1 aspect of it being hard, this one sole thing doesnt make it hard, of course not. but doesnt mean it should be changed, just because you dislike it. there are other parts other people dislike, if 1 part gets changed due to one person dislike, that opens it up for other to complain and get there part removed too. and then it wont be hard

Have you ever played the mode? If not, how can you go about gauging its difficulty?

Less than 1000 people who have played the mode have ever maxed in it. It’s hard. I don’t think that the change I’m proposing would have expanded that list further. The change I’m proposing is small and only allows players to keep the accomplishments they have already EARNED.

I also just want to point out that I posted this in the Rants channel to rant and I do not expect Jagex to do something. It is my OPINION based on playing the mode and how it has provided me a less than satisfactory experience especially when the cause of death was out of my control.

27-Jan-2023 17:37:29

Pulseironic
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NoobTube139 said :
Pulseironic said :
Jeremy Cheng said :
Seeing as how irons have had rules slowly relaxed over the years we could have an official poll that only irons can vote in where jagex will ask should losing items as hcim be changed or not. he should be happy his account wasnt banned. ON CREATION it warns you that this can happen and they wont do anything to undo it. he knew from DAY 0!

As someone who doesn’t have a HCIM, perhaps you should not discuss topics you know nothing about. A jar of divine light has been available from the start of HCIM mode and your account will not be banned if you purchased it. Yes, they changed that feature in 2019 or 2020, but if you didn’t want to be banned, there was always an option not to be.

I’m not asking for my stuff to be given back or to get the life I lost back. My point is to make the experience more satisfying is that item loss should be reworked. You’re already punished enough for losing the life; why should you lose the items that took hundreds of hours to obtain?

I guess you wouldn’t be able to understand as an Ironman “skiller” though. wrong, i have played a hardcore before. and it DID used to ban your account, unless youre talking OSRS where it didnt have that feature. it was only recently in RS3 that hardcore didnt get banned on death without any extra lives.

as ive said, youre warned ON CREATION that things like disconnections can cause unsafe deaths, deal with it.

29-Jan-2023 16:57:37

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Pulseironic said :
wrong, i have played a hardcore before. and it DID used to ban your account, unless youre talking OSRS where it didnt have that feature. it was only recently in RS3 that hardcore didnt get banned on death without any extra lives.

as ive said, youre warned ON CREATION that things like disconnections can cause unsafe deaths, deal with it.

First off, this wasn't my last life. The lucky you aren't banned argument goes out the window with that. My argument has been about the items from the first post, not lives.

Second off, I don't believe you had an account or you'd drop the RSN. Even if you did, sorry you didn't know about the feature, but it was always a feature to not get permabanned when you bought the jar. I fact checked this on the RS Wiki. Sounds like you didn't and you were supposedly banned. Guess you should get over it because "you were warned on creation".

Third, this is the Rants forum. I posted to rant. I believe that the item loss piece is too punishing, but clearly you don't. We can agree to disagree. Just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it has to be. The changes to permabanning HCIM accounts, death and death cost reworks, and PVMing are examples of that. IMO compared to normal ironman mode, the fact you lose items that take more time to reclaim than a standard work week (50+ hours) is a problem.

29-Jan-2023 20:07:03

Pulseironic
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NoobTube139 said :
Pulseironic said :
wrong, i have played a hardcore before. and it DID used to ban your account, unless youre talking OSRS where it didnt have that feature. it was only recently in RS3 that hardcore didnt get banned on death without any extra lives.

as ive said, youre warned ON CREATION that things like disconnections can cause unsafe deaths, deal with it.

First off, this wasn't my last life. The lucky you aren't banned argument goes out the window with that. My argument has been about the items from the first post, not lives.

Second off, I don't believe you had an account or you'd drop the RSN. Even if you did, sorry you didn't know about the feature, but it was always a feature to not get permabanned when you bought the jar. I fact checked this on the RS Wiki. Sounds like you didn't and you were supposedly banned. Guess you should get over it because "you were warned on creation".

Third, this is the Rants forum. I posted to rant. I believe that the item loss piece is too punishing, but clearly you don't. We can agree to disagree. Just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it has to be. The changes to permabanning HCIM accounts, death and death cost reworks, and PVMing are examples of that. IMO compared to normal ironman mode, the fact you lose items that take more time to reclaim than a standard work week (50+ hours) is a problem. i see no reason to give the name of an account i havent played in years. last i played was 2 years before they made the change. and you didnt just come to rant, you cant to say they should change hard core into crunchy core, not soft but not really hard either.

"oh no i wasted 100 hours grinding for this stuff!", been there, done that many times not just on this one but multiple other characters. been playing since 2004, "grinding" is just a part of the game. dont enjoy the grind, this aint your game.

30-Jan-2023 06:56:40

NoobTube139
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Pulseironic said :
i see no reason to give the name of an account i havent played in years. last i played was 2 years before they made the change. and you didnt just come to rant, you cant to say they should change hard core into crunchy core, not soft but not really hard either.

"oh no i wasted 100 hours grinding for this stuff!", been there, done that many times not just on this one but multiple other characters. been playing since 2004, "grinding" is

Yeah, except you're grinding for the same gear you had. This isn't grinding 100 hours to get the item. It's grinding 100 hours to get the same item you had. Repeating content.

Around the difficulty piece, explain this: how would keeping items on death would impact the current high scores? Would your supposed HCIM, that you will not name, be better than mine currently is assuming it didn't lose its items on death? If so, explain how.

30-Jan-2023 22:36:42 - Last edited on 30-Jan-2023 23:05:16 by NoobTube139

Pulseironic
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i dont care about hi scores, i care about the concept. you want a medium core not a hard core. you choose hard and whine. i tried and found its not for me. deal or downgrade.

31-Jan-2023 07:48:30 - Last edited on 31-Jan-2023 07:49:08 by Pulseironic

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