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Sinowarrior
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Having been playing on and off since 2005, I don't know if the support systems have been relocated or whether they have just been completely scrapped.

I have tried reaching out to resolve some fairly basic problems (caused by Jagex) outside of my control, yet the ways of getting in touch and having a reasonable conversation has been unfathomably difficult.

For example, I have an alternate account registered under the same Jagex account as the one I'm posting from, an account which I have barely used, and which I was planning to use to do some GE merchng, yet before I even get the chance to the account gets perm banned for macroing? I was actually on that account when it gets force logged out and I find I can no longer log back in and I am met with the message "Your account has been involved in some serious rule breaking"

I sent an email to Jagex customer support querying the issue only to be told they couldn't address this and directed me to resolve it using the in-game appeal channel. I send an appeal with "excuse me?" (as I do not know what else I can write for a macroing ban when I have used nothing aside from the normal Jagex launcher)... I was not surprised to find the appeal was denied, as a quick google search will reveal that there have been multiple similar issues in the past where players are banned and have no recourse to recover their accounts.

While I appreciate some of these bans are justified, my own experience dealing with the in-game appeals and requests make me wonder how many legitimate requests are denied repeatedly leaving genuine players out in the cold (do you even bother to look into these appeals?)

24-Jun-2023 09:01:34 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2023 04:49:51 by Sinowarrior

Sinowarrior
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Now onto the second major issue, I see that there is now no longer a forum for Jagex staff to look into bugs and game issues, only a community led one which after browsing seems to indicate most player posted issues are rarely addressed, let alone resolved. In the short space of a month since I came back to the game I have already encountered two MAJOR bugs which actually inhibits play progression.

The first was for "Returner Challenges" where I actually couldn't see the remaining challenges" so it was impossible to complete them.

Now today I find I cannot complete "Curse Of The Black Stone" as talking to Hannibus won't prompt the "King Black Dragon" instance....

These are major gameplay issues that should have clear and easy communication avenues which allow paying players to resolve legitimate requests. Don't get me wrong, I love the game and respect the hard work that has gone into improving it over the years, but customer support really needs to be revamped......

All the player polls, community hit-lists or influencer engagements aren't going to help if basic day-to-day core gameplay issues aren't being resolved and players can't even have a reasonable conversation about legitimate issues and concerns. No offence but I cringe when I have a problem where I need to reach out to customer support - the entire process is so utterly time consuming and frustrating. There are some great staff members who have been friendly and incredibly helpful, but in general it just takes so more effort and persistence to try and push through legitimate requests.

I understand Jagex needing and wanting to streamline their customer support as it can be a huge drain having to respond to messages/requests from thousands of players, but making it disproportionately hard for players to resolve issues is in my opinion your biggest Achilles heel. Support requests should be more like taking a walk in the park not climbing Mount Everest!

Thank you

24-Jun-2023 09:07:02 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2023 04:48:12 by Sinowarrior

Archaeox
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Macro bans are never instant, and take place some time after the offence - both to allow for investigation by Jagex Staff before the ban, and to ensure that information making detection evasion easier is not passed on.

Bugs should be reported using the IN GAME bug report system; this also sends system info to Jagex, which helps to reproduce the bug (essential if it is to be fixed).
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24-Jun-2023 09:55:18

Nirane Lane
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Unfortunately, from what I've seen, Jagex very, very rarely grants ban appeals, even when the ban is absolutely unwarranted. The reason for this is simple. It takes effort to look into a ban and Jagex doesn't make money from un-banning your account. Appeals get rejected out of hand, with no investigation, more likely than not, for those reasons.

Jagex's lack of customer support is for one reason only. They don't care about you, they care about your money. I'm not trying to be harsh here, but that's the reality of it. If they ban an account that spent a lot of money, there's a statistical likelihood that its owner eventually starts over and re-purchases what was lost.

Banning accounts costs the player money. It's potentially fairly lucrative for Jagex. This is why they set up a system where you can get banned for any reason and Jagex does not have to provide reasons or evidence. If you get banned, tough luck. Just start over and hope the next account lasts longer. Jagex have always been shady and unprofessional. You cannot reach them because they don't want to be held accountable in any way, let alone be confronted with the dissatisfaction they cause. As long as these underhanded tactics make them money, they won't stop.

The only thing you can possibly do is try to keep out of their crosshairs. Or better yet, try to stay on their good side. Limit the money you spend on their games and never, ever, under any circumstance, criticize something they do. It doesn't matter how right you think you are. Jagex will take it as an excuse to slap you with a major macroing ban or something similarly unappealable. That's how they avoid most direct criticism.

25-Jun-2023 02:58:12

Sinowarrior
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Archaeox said :
Macro bans are never instant, and take place some time after the offence - both to allow for investigation by Jagex Staff before the ban, and to ensure that information making detection evasion easier is not passed on.

Bugs should be reported using the IN GAME bug report system; this also sends system info to Jagex, which helps to reproduce the bug (essential if it is to be fixed).


If that were the case, kind of hard to explain why an account which I barely touched after completing tutorial island would be banned for macroing? More importantly, I haven't used any third party software, not presently, nor in the past

25-Jun-2023 04:56:29 - Last edited on 25-Jun-2023 05:08:39 by Sinowarrior

Sinowarrior
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Nirane Lane said :
Unfortunately, from what I've seen, Jagex very, very rarely grants ban appeals, even when the ban is absolutely unwarranted. The reason for this is simple. It takes effort to look into a ban and Jagex doesn't make money from un-banning your account. Appeals get rejected out of hand, with no investigation, more likely than not, for those reasons.

Jagex's lack of customer support is for one reason only. They don't care about you, they care about your money. I'm not trying to be harsh here, but that's the reality of it. If they ban an account that spent a lot of money, there's a statistical likelihood that its owner eventually starts over and re-purchases what was lost.

Banning accounts costs the player money. It's potentially fairly lucrative for Jagex. This is why they set up a system where you can get banned for any reason and Jagex does not have to provide reasons or evidence. If you get banned, tough luck. Just start over and hope the next account lasts longer. Jagex have always been shady and unprofessional. You cannot reach them because they don't want to be held accountable in any way, let alone be confronted with the dissatisfaction they cause. As long as these underhanded tactics make them money, they won't stop.

The only thing you can possibly do is try to keep out of their crosshairs. Or better yet, try to stay on their good side. Limit the money you spend on their games and never, ever, under any circumstance, criticize something they do. It doesn't matter how right you think you are. Jagex will take it as an excuse to slap you with a major macroing ban or something similarly unappealable. That's how they avoid most direct criticism.


Although I appreciate the lengthy response, I personally believe the truth of the matter lies somewhere in-between two extremes. I remain hopeful Jagex as a company still cares about its players, after all it is players such as ourselves who keep supporting the game.

25-Jun-2023 05:06:47

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