RuneScape Forum Archive | i feel there is discrimination

Woodturner1

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im tempted to paste a huge thing i typed because of what i see is discrimination against disabilities, let me explain:

i am an autistic, it causes me to have OCD like traits, so i do things over and over, in patterns, if any of you have known someone with this condition you know what its like, when it comes to moderators actions they failed to take any of the evidence i will give, even it takes more than one post, into account and just banned me without consideration of a disability, i was banned and i DID NOT BREAK A SINGLE RULE!! i was accused of being a bot, I HAVE NEVER USED A BOT IN MY LIFE!!! did i get the chance to clear my good name? nope! the appeal is still pending, so no one even looked at it yet, and the ban notice said if im banned again its permanent, the message that sends is that you dont want those with disabilities playing your game, nevermind that i never broke your rules, that i try to help others when i can, let me give you the evidence that i know a jagex mod or admin has access to, so i know they could have looked:
item 1: i talk to people, do bots? nope, and in doing this i am brought to the next item:

item 2: i advised a player in the place mentioned who was wearing full armor to store said armor, saying it would make the run energy last longer, would a bot take the time to notice a player in full armor where it isnt needed, and suggest storing it to run longer, therefore helping said player to make more money or gather more ore? nope, another player saw this and private messaged me, leading to item 3:

item 3: the last player mentioned in item 2 private messaged me saying it was nice of me to help that other player, AND I ADDED SAID PLAYER TO MY FRIENDS LIST, does a bot do that? im betting not, and i did so to lead to item 4 i need to speak with a jagex moderator, please.

16-Jan-2023 11:47:31

Woodturner1

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item 4:i messaged back to say i helped because God likes us to help others, which is part of what im doing by bringing this discrimination against autism to officials attention, and it IS discrimination, even if its not intended because nothing was done about it, and my appeal is still pending, will likely still be pending even after the temporary and unjust ban is over.

item 5:i was gathering iron ore at the time, but im gathering for money, not real world but gold coins, so if i see it (ore)dropped im going to pick it up, which i did, does a bot do that? i think not,

item 6: you might notice in your logs that every week day i would log off just before 5 am my time, and not log back on until sometime after 6, maybe 6:30 my time, that is about an hour, hour and a half, if i was botting, would i log off like that or do you think i might keep going, straight on through? and if you are wondering why i logged off like that its because that is the time my televised bible study hour, the shepherds chapel comes on, and that is how i attend church because of sensory issues, i cant go into a physical church and i need to feed my soul with the Word.

item 7: since around christmas time, you might look in the logs and see that many times, while on bond i also logged off well before 5 am my time, like with item 6 if i was botting would i log off or keep going? i had to log off because i dont bot and my moms sugar kept dropping, she is diabetic and has been having a time with it, i had to get her sugar stabilized and her low blood sugar nausea taken care of so she can get back to sleep. i need to speak with a jagex moderator, please.

16-Jan-2023 11:48:48

Woodturner1

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item 8: your random events, a bot just keeps going from what i understand, do they stop and tend to those random events? nope, and right clicking to get the context menu so can click "dismiss" is tending to them, most of them are lame anyway, the only ones i find really worth my attention are the genie, rick turpentine, and that lady that offers food, and just for your information i DID do a random event just a day or 2 before, the bee keeper, just for s and g's, does a bot do that? nope

your mod and admins at jagex have access to all kinds of information, you can see when players log on and off, likely see when someone is in a general area if not the exact coordinates, hasnt it occurred to you that when a player shows patterns like this, that its not a bot but someone with a disability? i think in the decades runescape as been in operation, whether original(later upgraded over time to become rs3) or old school, it should have been made clear that there are players like me, and just saying "eh, i dont wanna look at this other stuff, just call it a bot and ban it" is discriminating. are you saying those like me, those with intellectual disabiites arent allowed to play? that if i play again, you will ignore the evidence like what was done again, and kick me out when i didnt do anything wrong? if thats the case just say it, or fix the problem and retrain or replace your administrators and mods that act that carelessly, when you sign on to do a job you have a duty to do it right, not half......backsidedly(wanted to say something else, but didnt want to cuss)

EVERY XP, BANK ITEM, ARMOR, WEAPON, ETC,, WAS 100 PERCENT ME, NOT SOME BOT!!!!!!!

all of this could have been avoided with 1 simple thing, so painfully simple its ridiculous that it hasnt been done, talk with me. thats it, a mod or admin could have come into the game, or even just private messaged me, the crown im guessing would show it to be an admin, let me show you how that could have gone: i need to speak with a jagex moderator, please.

16-Jan-2023 11:49:37 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2023 12:00:58 by Woodturner1

Woodturner1

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jagex(for the mod or admin): "woodturner1, i am a game administrator for jagex, i need a word with you"

woodturner1: "how can i help you sir?"

jagex: "there is a suspicion that you might be using a bot, also called macroing"

woodturner1:"ridiculous, i dont use those, i do have repeated patterns but im autistic, it causes that"

jagex: "i need to be certain, so id like you to do a test, im going to send you a random event and id like you to perform it, that will resolve this matter."

you might even be able to choose the event, (should this lead to a reasonable policy change, for the good of others i ask that it not be something like that crane thing, evil bob, or that maze, you could even have a special one for the occasion, enter a certain number on a keypad that changes number positions for example)

2 minutes, just 2 lousy minutes, if im not on, you can put a note for a game official to do this when i am on, when a report is submitted by a player, either one that is well intentioned or maliciously, is that so much to ask? would a bot reply to a private message? i dont think so, so just the fact that i would be replying would show im an actual rule abiding player, or if you were to show up in the game in the area with me, and i can see the crown you would see me stop what im doing to and if needed go to a safe spot with you, simple, and would prevent the issue i brought up.

just.2.minutes.

how many players with similar disabilites ended up banned without reason? is it too much trouble to spend a couple minutes to clear up a problem, and see that another user acted maliciously, which is what i suspect happened? some player in the underground mine south of faladors east bank didnt feel like sharing the ore, reported me to get me out of the way, and i was denied any chance to clear my name in a timely manner, banned without cause, and the mod that banned me likely did it to others, failing to look at things like what i itemized.

my apologies for the length. i need to speak with a jagex moderator, please.

16-Jan-2023 11:54:12

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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I'm not sure what happened here, but I have seen mods talking about how bots compared to players. From their description players are actually MORE inclined to repeat patterns. By clicking with the same pace, location, etc.

Also, being in control at any point in time is not proof against botting. Maybe you did just get caught up in a wave of player reports.

I am hoping your appeal turns out well and they clear it up for you.

16-Jan-2023 14:59:01

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16-Jan-2023 15:12:50

Woodturner1

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communication does, just 2 lousy minutes, they can afford the time, and besides as i said i even did one of their stupid random events, a bot dont do that, bots dont log off for things like church, at least im guessing, i wouldnt know for certain because I DONT USE THEM! i need to speak with a jagex moderator, please.

17-Jan-2023 06:58:27

Nov

2007

Tranq

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The random events were removed cause they did nothing to deter macroing accounts and only annoyed the playerbase.

Now onto your issue at hand. Just because you are sitting at your machine chatting with people doesn't mean you may not have been macroing. The Macroing / 3rd party software rules encompasses more than just fully automated botting scripts. anything that combines 2 or more actions into a single keypress or mouse click is a form of macroing. Which is botting whether your baby sitting the character or not.

As an example a normal player if making strung bows, needs to open the bank, select the unfinished bows, choose how many they wish to withdraw, then select the bowstring also selecting how many they wish to withdraw, close the bank screen, select the bow then the string or vice versa. Select the make all. Wait, rinse and repeat all of these steps each time.

If with a mouse click or keypress you can combine any of those steps that is a macro, it might be a rudimentary bot but it's still botting.

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19-Jan-2023 16:15:15

Woodturner1

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i dont believe that, everybody does somethings in pairs at some point, such as but not limited to running and clicking on a wall to climb over, or running and clicking to climb up or down, clicking on the mini map to go back to whatever a rule abiding player is doing whether its killing beasts or mining, or anything else, botting is using software to cheat, and i NEVER cheated, i do things repeatedly, but that is how i play, same thing over and over, each and every xp, coin, everything i got, i got 100 PERCENT HONEST! if it was not allowed to do as i mentioned it would have been blocked by the coding, and jagex could just change the code to say "you cant click on the minimap to exit the bank and go somewhere" so that it blocks anything outside the minimap except the x to x out, they chose not to do that therefore they allow it, that aint botting. i need to speak with a jagex moderator, please.

21-Jan-2023 07:55:20

Feb

2018

Scouse

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I do know Autistic people, i also know people with A.D.H.D and although i know Jagex do get it wrong with their bans from time to time i am struggling to see how a so called autistic player would take the time to complain to the length you have gone to.

Forgive me if i'm wrong but it just seems to me that you did cheat and decided to use the disability card to get out of it.

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21-Jan-2023 08:20:08

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