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Singularity said :

So, ask yourself: are you going to upgrade this system in the future? Is that something you're interested in? If yes, consider focusing on an Intel-based system instead. I got my PC as a birthday gift, but if I had the choice, I would go down the Intel route because that gives me the freedom to upgrade my CPU as well once I find the current unable to keep up with my needs.


Intel consumer systems are not CPU upgradeable for the fact that there is a heavy presence of planned obsolesence with its socketed solution. Intel does not maintain forward compatibility of motherboards beyond two generation of CPUs its released with; as such you will not be able to get meaningful performance upgrades between the now defunct tick-tock release cycle.

The only exception is the X99/LGA 2011 platform which is a watered down derivative of Intel's professional/business grade lineup and that sits in the ultra-enthusiast price range for consumers.

Well that said, Intel's architectures have been skewed towards serialised processing/single threaded workloads than with parallelism like on AMD. Conventional applications have a heavy performance bias towards the former unless it is specifically programmed to take advantage of AMD's core count.

Coupled with the fact that performance and IPC gains are largely sidelined in favour of mobile technology related developments, a quad core Intel processor should be relevant in a consumer PC for a long time. Till date, the 2011 variants of the i5 and i7 platform are still very potent in CPUs.

To sum up, Intel consumer platforms are barely CPU-upgradeable. However, we can all make meaningful graphics card upgrades out of the PCIe slots or utilise more IO port connections when the need arises.
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21-Jun-2016 23:23:36 - Last edited on 21-Jun-2016 23:32:54 by Dooogy0

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Hmm, how many years can you expect my system to last? I probably could go cheap if I don't have to upgrade my system in a while.


Well, if you only really use the system to play RS and record videos (+ render), then it should last several years. NXT will perform well. There's apparently some issues with how AMD cards handle the NXT currently (even more so if paired with an AMD CPU), but I'm sure they'll resolve as more tweaks are made to the client.

I can get away with multi-task fairly well with the 860K, so it's great, especially for the price. I've managed to render a video via Camtasia and stay in-game (Java RS), but you get rather frequently severe FPS dips (afking is possible tho). I'm able to make decent quality videos with my setup, so you should be able to as well.

I've had my system for nearly a year and it's still performing adequately enough. It's just if you decide you want to do more on a system than just scape and video record gameplay, then it may become a problem because there's nothing you can do about the CPU part of your system. And judging from what I've read in regards to this specific CPU, going big on the GPU is a no-go (i.e. pairing it with something like a GTX 1080) because it might create a bottleneck (that being the CPU starts holding you back, not allowing your GPU to perform to the best of its ability). I don't know too much in this regard, but every time I've looked up potential GPU upgrades for the 860K, it's advised NOT to pair it with a high-end card. It can only "cope" with the mid-range.

The "life-span" of your system really depends on your needs and if they'll change or not.

The system is good and is better speced than mine, so it should do what you need.
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21-Jun-2016 23:36:03 - Last edited on 21-Jun-2016 23:54:51 by Singularity

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Even X99 is two generations per socket as LGA 2011-3 is not compatible with LGA 2011 and vice versa - I believe Sandy and Ivy Bridge Enthusiast were 2011, and Haswell and Broadwell are 2011-3?

As for OP, never ever buy a hybrid drive, complete waste of money in all honesty. From a quick browse of Amazon.co.uk, you can get a 120 GB SSD + a 1tb WD Blue (one of the best HDDs for desktop use) for £5 more than an SSHD. Of course, I just took the first one or two results as a skim. You could even pick up a 500gb HDD and be better off than an SSHD with slightly less, but much faster storage.

An "SSHD", or a Hybrid Drive, usually consists of 8gb of "solid state" storage (so, an SSD), as well as a 1tb HDD. I believe it puts the most used files onto the solid state bit by itself... And 8gb really is not a lot, that's roughly half of your operating system.

As for the video, I couldn't comment, you seem to be on a very tight budget so what you can buy will be limited. I do advise waiting for the RX 480 by AMD though - on paper, it boasts really nice specifications, a nice price ($200), and low power usage.

Edit: Missed this:

Weyburns said :
you can double check yourself online which part does the rendering in movies, but afaik it's actually the ram cards.


RAM is semi-important, but CPU and GPU are equally important depending on how you encode it and what software you are using. I can't imagine an 16gb kit of RAM costing more than $50 or so :p

This video by Linus Tech Tips explains better than I could:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajyzZ-zaq0o
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21-Jun-2016 23:57:53 - Last edited on 22-Jun-2016 00:03:19 by Hevilmystic

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Singularity said :
Tonix RS said :
Singularity said :





Hmm, how many years can you expect my system to last? I probably could go cheap if I don't have to upgrade my system in a while.


Well, if you only really use the system to play RS and record videos (+ render), then it should last several years. NXT will perform well. There's apparently some issues with how AMD cards handle the NXT currently (even more so if paired with an AMD CPU), but I'm sure they'll resolve as more tweaks are made to the client.



Do you run multiple RS clients by any chance? Just hoping I might be able to sneak in some altscape just fine. Also, what is your FPS average? Mine seems really crappy like under 25.
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22-Jun-2016 05:22:30 - Last edited on 22-Jun-2016 05:23:03 by Tonix RS

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Tonix RS said :
Singularity said :
Tonix RS said :
Singularity said :





Hmm, how many years can you expect my system to last? I probably could go cheap if I don't have to upgrade my system in a while.


Well, if you only really use the system to play RS and record videos (+ render), then it should last several years. NXT will perform well. There's apparently some issues with how AMD cards handle the NXT currently (even more so if paired with an AMD CPU), but I'm sure they'll resolve as more tweaks are made to the client.



Do you run multiple RS clients by any chance? Just hoping I might be able to sneak in some altscape just fine. Also, what is your FPS average? Mine seems really crappy like under 25.


On Java, I can run multiple clients moderately well. I have to tone down some settings, but if you have both clients on low detail, it'll be even better. I wouldn't worry about the performance of Java client though because it's not going to be relevant soon enough.

NXT is great providing you tone down settings and enable V-sync (to cap FPS). NXT is mostly focusing on the GPU rather than CPU. I only have the GTX 750Ti card and get exceptional performance out of it.

It's a great build. The 860K CPU is something most people that have really, really tight budgets pick. If you do some reading up on the reviews of this CPU, you'll see they're very positive. It gets the job done at a cheap price.

For reference, I'll list my complete specs:

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K @ 3.9GHz (3.7 is stock speed, but I overclocked it a little)
RAM: 8.00GB Single-Channel DDR3 @ 802MHz
GPU: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti (MSI)
HDD: 931GB TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 SATA Disk Device (SATA)
Audio: Dolby Home Theater v4 - Realtek HD Audio
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
Motherboard: Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. F2A68HM-HD2
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22-Jun-2016 14:17:12

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^ On top of that, I also run YouTube in the background. So like I said, it can multi-task. It's not super-amazing, but it does it well. I've found Twitch to be rather taxing on this CPU, though. If I run a Twitch stream on Source quality, FPS on Java will start fluctuating severely. I have to use the Livestreamer program and watch the specific stream through VLC to combat the lag issues. There's something about Twitch streams that this CPU doesn't like when watched through a browser. This issue only applies on streams that use source quality. .

22-Jun-2016 14:22:23 - Last edited on 22-Jun-2016 14:23:18 by Singularity

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