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Blasty
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Hi all :)

Earlier this month, hundreds of scientists and officials convened at a United Nations Assembly to discuss projects that work towards gaining a more complete understanding of the brain.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/09/big-dreams-emerge-big-brain-science-projects

This got me thinking about the future possibility of turning an analysis of the brain into an interactive simulation of it. In other words, creating a virtual clone of someone's mind.

If you could clone your mind into a digital presence on your computer, what would you ask your clone to do?

Write your essays and assignments for you? Play games for you? Send your emails for you? Talk to friends for you?

If you could clone someone else's mind, who's would you clone and why?

Looking forward to reading your responses :)
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29-Sep-2016 16:57:49 - Last edited on 29-Sep-2016 17:03:14 by Blasty

Lil Indecent

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Spent 5 minutes thinking about this and I kept going off on so many tangents. I believe I'm mostly a product of my environment and thus a duplicate of my mind would also (perhaps more so) be a product of its environment. Meaning it would no longer be my mind. So I'm not even sure where that puts things in regard to your question.

But to give an answer, I don't think I'd get it to do anything. By that I mean I wouldn't use it as a tool to perform tasks. But I may have plenty to discus with it.

The first thing I'd ask is, tell me your dreams.

29-Sep-2016 17:15:10

Nosword

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i would probably get in trouble if people could see whats on my mind. the more i think about it the more it seems like a horrible idea

Stephen Hawkings mind clone would be cool. would be much more useful than i could imagine
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29-Sep-2016 18:36:04

Morgan

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Would I have ownership of my clone's mind? Would it be ethical to command your cloned mind to do your bidding? Would it be right?

Those are, I think, the main questions that came to mind when I read this. The cloned version of my mind wouldn't have a body, but would that make it any less a person than me?

Really interesting and thought-provoking topic.

Blasty said :
If you could clone someone else's mind, who's would you clone and why?

I would LOVE to be able to converse with prominent figures from history and current, be it Einstein, Turing, Hawking, Hitler, Stalin, Gandhi.

But I'd also be selfish and duplicate minds of people I desire/like. And that'd bring us back to my first question: "Would it be ethical?"

29-Sep-2016 19:17:29 - Last edited on 29-Sep-2016 19:19:24 by Morgan

Squallsy

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it might be depressing to hear but who cares

nothing, a clone of my mind would kill itself, i am who i am and im alive now because of the people who are important to me, and if a perfect copy of me existed? it wouldnt have those people and thus wouldnt have what it is that keep me with any mediocrum of sanity

and assuming it didnt, i would never clone myself, id never clone anyone else, being who we are, what we are, its what makes us unique, do you truly wish to take that away? and no matter how perfectly you make a clone, it wont be the exact same, because theres always that spark, that something that makes us who we are.... and a perfect copy will never have that
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30-Sep-2016 03:32:44

Blasty
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I found out about the new spider pet from the hallowe'en event and it reminded me of this thread, haha

http://i.imgur.com/nsh7R5l.jpg

(same image for forumers who haven't installed linkify)
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25-Oct-2016 07:07:22 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2016 07:07:49 by Blasty

Blasty
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Lil Indecent said :
Spent 5 minutes thinking about this and I kept going off on so many tangents. I believe I'm mostly a product of my environment and thus a duplicate of my mind would also (perhaps more so) be a product of its environment. Meaning it would no longer be my mind. So I'm not even sure where that puts things in regard to your question.

But to give an answer, I don't think I'd get it to do anything. By that I mean I wouldn't use it as a tool to perform tasks. But I may have plenty to discus with it.

The first thing I'd ask is, tell me your dreams.


I really like that you point out the significance of the environment on the state of the virtual consciousness.

I've been pondering and working on a little neural network-like project and I've been finding more and more that complexity in the environment is a catalyst for complexity in the AI agent. A neural network adjusts itself to maximise some criteria, and the complexity of the neural network will only go as far as the complexity of the criteria and environment. A neural network for playing Go will learn to play Go extremely well, and will get better and better the more it is trained. At some point, will the network eventually gain properties that emulate consciousness though? Is there a need for it in that environment? When you limit the scope of perceptions and actions to the game of Go, is it even possible to form a definition of consciousness and awareness of the "self" that is performing those actions?

You're definitely not alone in going on tangents haha :p

I'm curious about whether you meant dreams as in the sensations during sleep, or as in aspirations and ambitions :p

I think both are interesting to think about - from what I understand, sleep is a complex combination of biological functions as well as the interactions between neurons themselves. A virtual consciousness would have to account for both to accurately emulate a dream-like experience.
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25-Oct-2016 07:28:24 - Last edited on 25-Oct-2016 11:50:04 by Blasty

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I think ambition is interesting to think about too.

My immediate thoughts on that are that a virtual agent that simulates human-like consciousness would aspire to work towards a world that is better for itself and for future generations.

I'd love to see what it would be able to achieve with access to the collective intelligence of all humanity.
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25-Oct-2016 07:32:49

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