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UtaChao

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J R Kerr said :
citation for differences... um... can you see edu domains?

its early that they mention "libel tourism." companies prefer suing in the UK to suing in America for libel.

https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1287&context=umiclr

I can see the doc, but it's 98pages long so can you be more specific with the citation?

Ironman: Autark

19-Sep-2019 15:52:48

UtaChao

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J R Kerr said :
I forget where to quote you from but I swear I saw you mention osrs or ironmode. Um... if yer older like me... be aware that OSRS and this UBB template for rsof... its got wild tangent in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildTangent

That makes cloroxing one extra step. I wrote a registry key to disable it a long time ago, and I forgot how. Its more timely because recent judgments have freed wild tangent from liability for performance issues caused by its datamining.

Thatd be another good reason for RS to dump the UBB template rsof and start with something new, hideable, and more easily pruned. Like if I had pruning controls I would mass delete anything older than a year. I already do that with all my other social media. The cool part is that no one cares. Our friends care what we say now, and not what we said a year ago. They never notice.

Unless you're a politician, old things are always dredged up. Plus I'd keep a low profile, but a profile none the less.

Ironman: Autark

19-Sep-2019 15:55:34 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2019 15:57:26 by UtaChao

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2007

J R Kerr

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Its endlessly bizarre to get to say what you think is true with impunity. Texas has this guy Louis Gohmert in office who sounded alarm to the newspapers that "ISIS is trainin terrorists at camps in Matamoros, Mexico!" I'm already laughing at that, like the punchline is inside the joke, but I have to explain to people that "mata moros" means "kill the moors" and there aint no muslims in mexico hardly at all. No scandal. No resignation. Just gallows humour and a mean laugh for me.

You guys... if George Galloway said one thing wrong, man, it'd be flying bricks and his battered face all over the tabloids again. Y'all get really mad about slander.

I'd love to see the middle ground of that.

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19-Sep-2019 16:04:18

UtaChao

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J R Kerr said :
Its endlessly bizarre to get to say what you think is true with impunity. Texas has this guy Louis Gohmert in office who sounded alarm to the newspapers that "ISIS is trainin terrorists at camps in Matamoros, Mexico!" I'm already laughing at that, like the punchline is inside the joke, but I have to explain to people that "mata moros" means "kill the moors" and there aint no muslims in mexico hardly at all. No scandal. No resignation. Just gallows humour and a mean laugh for me.

You guys... if George Galloway said one thing wrong, man, it'd be flying bricks and his battered face all over the tabloids again. Y'all get really mad about slander.

I'd love to see the middle ground of that.

I wouldn't say there was that much actual anger over slander/libel, papers are always printing/posting rubbish and it's just part of the cycle now. Brexit was one massive lie (origins).

No offence, but if something comes from a US politician then generally speaking I ignore it as rubbish bollock, higher if they're republican and/or in trumps pocket, lower if they're democrat. I believe certain people like AOC though, she's new wave.

Ironman: Autark

19-Sep-2019 16:16:09

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2007

J R Kerr

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more precise citation... um... the 2013 defamation act in the UK

removed

the common law defense of

fair comment

, and that obfuscates that which the US describes as "malice" when making remarks... I cited that already but not sure if it highlights its own changes.

your act has a ton of double speak.
like it starts by saying 'it aint libel if it causes harm to reputation' but then it appends quickly with an unclear restatement "unless it causes serious financial harm." I suppose litigators argue what is and isnt serious case by case, but considering that it emerges from how it was before... I cant say I was wrong the first time.

then it covers the defense against libel/slander by proving that what you said is "substantially true." thats very confusing. what gives substance to the truth?

the example I remember from ethics class was a hairdresser who was heterosexual, but allowing customers to believe they got the "queer eye" experience. Imagine clones of this guy in Los Angeles and London. In LA if you said "I dont think Pepe is gay" and it hurt his business from the 90210 beverly hills ladies... its over. You aint guilty. Itd be the easiest thing in the world to testify you believed your own opinion. In london if pepe had financial documents to support that he lost money in the months after your statement... even if you showed up with pictures of his heterosexually produced biological children... they may not constitute "substantial" evidence of truth because of fine print about adopted children being equal in the eyes of public regard or something. A litigator could do this.

This changed law also illuminates why so many UK people bore me saying "in my opinion" when I dont want that after they signed their name. They have to because of the public play bits. Yall have to distinguish and overdetermine your statements of opinion from statements of fact. Yeesh.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/pdfs/ukpga_20130026_en.pdf

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19-Sep-2019 16:27:06

UtaChao

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Trust me, fact is a odd term. Fact is only fact when the right person says it. It might be true that xyz is ostensibly true, but there are always multiple sides and what is true is fluid. According to your president, climate change is a myth, the mexicans are invading the south and a whole bunch of other stuff one would be better gleaming from: https://www.nrdc.org/trump-lies.

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19-Sep-2019 16:41:59

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2007

J R Kerr

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oh yeah. worse than that. yall see pics of kids in cages and hype about the wall. the wall aint a wall. its a land grab for oil. thats where the real corruption has already happened. the rio grande basin is putting out more barrels a month than saudi, and it affects futures trading from russian land oligarchs (which shoulda been illegal with bucket shop laws already). my pals in DOJ, FINRA, SEC, DeptHS, FBI, etc all try making me be more patient like it'd just be too expensive and take too long in court before he just got old and died. Im like... uh... I think all the wild life in the sea will be dead by then too.

if your next question is "dude how the fuck did you play 25,000 hrs of MMO in 12 years, read every newspaper from Xinhua to Le Monde, and not fail at regular payment of yer electric bill..." it aint somewhere on the spectrum high functioning autism. Its an injury. I got stuck in a machine that moved my mangled leg up and down while I played, and I couldnt sleep for the pain of it. I'm writing a LOT more on the forums cause its the season for me to stay in air conditioning and not walk about in... 46.6 degrees celsius is our heat index the last two months. My knee swells real bad around the old scars. I aint headed back outside til next month when it cools off, and for twelve years running I have missed damn near every Halloween event here.

so in some ways... I am getting in my last shots before I vanish from the forums for months. I am kitchen sinking it (if that idiom aint lost you - my slang is always protested by dutch dudes who feel like they speak better english than anyone heh).

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19-Sep-2019 16:50:28

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Oh Duck

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J R Kerr said :
the 2013 defamation act in the UK

removed

the common law defense of

fair comment

your act has a ton of double speak...

then it covers the defense against libel/slander by proving that what you said is "substantially true." thats very confusing. what gives substance to the truth?
Just sort of stumbled on this - but thought I'd clarify a few points as this is my field. I think you may be getting confused between defamation, libel action and malicious falsehood.

Any statement is defamatory if seriously harms the reputation of an individual or business in the minds of right-thinking members of society generally.

Claimants do not have to prove defamatory statements are false, courts in England and Wales assume all defamatory statements are false. The onus is on the claimant to provide a defence. I think you mentioned libel tourism - which was rife before 2014 - this is because courts in E&W favour the claimant, unlike most other systems which favour the defendant.

To sue for libel in E&W you need to prove three things: that the publication is defamatory, that you have been identified, it was published to a third party.

Substantially true refers to the number of statements made, that it is 'on the whole' true. In a truth defence this means the defendant does not need to prove the truth of every publication. So for example, if someone posted a newsletter saying that J.B. beats their wife and swears at their children they would only need to prove the former allegation for it to be substantially true. The truth defence is complete protection against defamation action (excl. one obscure exception under the 1974 RoO A).

Honest opinion replaced the fair comment common law defence. Honest opinion is different than a truth defence. Opinions must be honestly held, not fair and should be based on fact.

Defamation law is unfortunately incredibly complex.

21-Sep-2019 01:39:05