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05-May-2017 21:20:21

William Witt
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JerryfromJDQ said :
Ptolemy Dean said :
I'd rather support kingdoms moving toward NPCs and see an end to the whole POK thing. Nothing against you or anyone wanting to rule these places, but I think their time has come.

Have to agree with Ptolemy Dean. In addition to it not really being my cup of tea anymore having role-played extensively in other communities which are actively against the notion of Player Owned Kingdoms.

With the current lore surrounding Menaphos and the storyline of its ruler I just don't see Player Owned Kingdoms there to be viable at all. There's no way a Role-play character could acquire legitimate ownership of Menophos without bending, or outright breaking the lore to do so which is a big no-no in my books.

Not even ruling on the Pharoh's behalf as a Magistrate or Overseer of a governing body would work given the way that their Kingdom operates under something similar to an Egyptian monarchy.

It's a no from me.

Firstly, I'm glad so many people seem to share my opinions about the lore. I think you must have missed the last two posts on the thread, though.

The lore's very important to me, and I agree with you totally. That's why I'd just like to control it from an OOC perspective. IC, my character isn't going to be the Pharaoh, nor is he going to be some kind of regent. (See Point 3)

I'm not actually sure yet what I want to play or how this experiment will work out (leading OOC but not IC), but I'm thinking of using characters in a way that will further my twin goals of 1) Fun storytelling 2) Upholding lore

Maybe I should reword Point 3 on the first page to make it more clear or eye-catching?
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05-May-2017 21:32:28

William Witt
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JerryfromJDQ said :
Unless you intend to have an organisation that claims absolutely no authority over Menophos, it's citizens or visitors then Menophos' it's a no from me.

Precisely. I don't know how standard POKs work, but I'm not planning for this to focus solely on a bunch of hoity toity government types. I want stories involving characters and inhabitants *in* Menaphos.

I'd want the ability, OOC, to organize roleplay there and maintain some semblance of control. IC, however, the group members might be a bunch of merchants or adventurers or soldiers - with perhaps the occasional government member as needed, but nothing so high-up as the Pharaoh himself.

IC we'll be engaging with the things that OOC we've decided are going on in Menaphos. As a (admittedly poor) example thought up on the spot, let's say we decide OOC the Pharaoh has outlawed the sale of cabbages.

We'll engage with this IC not as the Pharaoh, but as the people subject to this law - perhaps we could include corrupt city guards brutally enforcing it (or being bribed), but other roleplayers in the city, at the behest of the OOC clan, could not sell cabbages either because the events we are telling have decided the Pharaoh said so.
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05-May-2017 21:46:18 - Last edited on 05-May-2017 21:47:31 by William Witt

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I feel like you miss the point that you can just organize rp anywhere and don't need it to be from the Pharoh
Like at all
You also don't need to claim dibs on a place we don't do land claims anymore

final point is even if you did call dibs wouldn't the people already running the desert show be the proper people in control "A silly ***** is what I'm going to call **** jokes from now on."
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05-May-2017 21:50:28

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05-May-2017 21:51:37

William Witt
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Kara-Ara said :
I feel like you miss the point that you can just organize rp anywhere and don't need it to be from the Pharoh
Like at all
You also don't need to claim dibs on a place we don't do land claims anymore

final point is even if you did call dibs wouldn't the people already running the desert show be the proper people in control

Oh, I wasn't aware things were no longer done that way. So we're sure we won't have some lorebend player Pharaoh popping up if I don't do this? If that's the case...

JerryfromJDQ said :
William Witt said :
leading OOC but not IC

That's not going to work, though for the aforementioned reasons.

The lore as of now is that tension between Al Kharid and Menophos is high between the political war with both parties and outbreak of plague in Sophanem which have caused Menophos to close their gates and deny passage to anyone but The Adventurer themselves as a political envoy from Al Kharid sent with the intention of delusion tension between the two.

There is no way for our regular characters unless natives to Menaphos to be allowed passage inside. [1] And there is no way to enforce and coordinate your Role-play without a figure of authority to do so unless you wish to be a tourist board offering events and attractions to generate Role-play without having any real authority in the city which would otherwise be illogical due to the first issue addressed.

Cites and source:

1. "RuneScape's Road to Menaphos stream #1- The Story So Far and requirements" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYPU8cFeaOk)

I wasn't intending to include "our regular characters". Menaphos' isolation was a plus in my mind (having to engage less with other, potentially lore-breaking groups). I'm unsure what I said that gave you that impression.
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05-May-2017 22:02:35

William Witt
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"And there is no way to enforce and coordinate your Role-play without a figure of authority to do so"

Maybe so, but does that figure of authority have to be a figure of authority IC? When we do things IC, is it because our character was approached by the King of X, or is it because we're friends with the guy OOC and decided he had a cool story idea?

Likewise, are cross-community interactions governed by IC meetings between rulers (for which an "ambassador" character might work just as well) or by posting on the forums like we're doing right now?
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05-May-2017 22:10:14

William Witt
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Marine Doge said :
not to shit on ya buddy but you are definitely not an undisputed expert on canon lore

Oh, have we not discussed lore before, friend? ;) I think if you give me the chance to have a little chat - or maybe ask those who have already - you might change your mind fairly quickly. I don't oversell myself. I'd even offer to let you quiz me right here and now, but that might get off topic.
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05-May-2017 22:15:49

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