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Kara-Ara
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Kara-Ara

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Actually, I do have a point.

Forinthry has no anima to grow on. None. Everything there is warped, twisted, and corrupted. It's why only things that are self-dependent can survive there. I.e. Mushrooms and humanity, which eats fucking everything. Not to mention that cannibals live up there, and that those human npcs have a high chance of being cannibals themselves, if not hunting for everything or just stealing food from below the wall because NOTHING GROWS.

Also, the Kharid has access to food to be imported, can grow food unique to the area (potato cactus, anybody?) and most importantly, actually has a connection to the Anima Mundis which means that things don't just die after being planted.


So like I said. Can't grow crops in Forinthry. "A silly ***** is what I'm going to call **** jokes from now on."
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24-Apr-2017 16:56:24

Nomadess

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Just saying, I don't defend people all that often, especially when they're in the wrong, as Pyro is in this case, but @Hakuchou, I looked up Forinthry and I don't see where it says there's no Anima in the area. All I saw is that it was destroyed in the God Wars. (This is simply my Ignorance talking and a desire to learn listening.) Could you enlighten me in-game, preferably, or here if it helps your argument.

On a different note, I'm glad that you defended the Kharidian Desert cause, OBVIOUSLY, there's fertile land and the ability to grow food.

Back onto the original note, if someone wanted to farm, it's possible they could steal soil from Misthalin or Asgarnia and set up some makeshift gardens themselves rather than using the charcoal stone in the wilderness to rofl up some food. "The Truth about Bob Ross; he's immortal. Even when he's dead he has a LIVE stream."

24-Apr-2017 18:41:33

Lord Pyro I
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As salvyn highlights your "point" is incorrect, there is nothing in RS lore that Forinthry has no anima.
It is explicitly stated in RS lore than farms can exist in Forinthry

Yours points about cannibals are meaningless, no food chain relies solely upon meat so you appear to be implying that humans are travelling into Forinthry regularly enough to provide a stable food source for the population.

I admit you raise a reasonable about the river Elid but frankly Forinthry is just as free to import food as Kharidia...

Incidently why would I take soil from Misthalin? The volcanic soil in Forinthry would be more fertile than anything found in the southern lands. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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24-Apr-2017 19:25:20

Nomadess

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As I have little to no knowledge of Anima in the Wilderness, I can't comment on that first point but I can comment about a few of the other things.

Cannibals in Forinthry are actually fairly possible. You're impying that humans are not travelling into Forinthry but there is an in-game occurrence called "Warbands" that shows that there are humans often travelling into the Wilderness. There are also the Wildy Wyrms and many other reasons for adventurers to willingly travel into the Wilderness. Ignoring the World Guardian going into the Wilderness, other adventurers, and even archaeologists, could easily wander out there searching for treasures and get attacked by some cannibals.

Then we also cannot ignore the many beasts that live in the Wilderness, such as dragons and demons, that most average people cannot fight/defend against if they were to attack, which is a likely possibility. The many dangers and lack of resources would make Forinthry one of the worst places to set down roots and make a home.

As for importing food into Forinthry, the place in lore is known more as a wasteland than anything else. Do you think Kings and leaders would export their food to a place commonly associated with death, despair, murder, Zamorakianism, and quite a few other bad things? (I'm not saying the IC leaders won't, I'm merely stating that most people probably wouldn't. There is a minority that might, however.)

Last point. Was this Roleplay accepted when it was first proposed and this thread was first written up? If it was accepted by the community then, how could someone reasonably question its legitimacy now? Just let it be. It's not like it'll be affecting your roleplay. If you don't accept it, don't acknowledge it. Simple as that.

Now, I think I'll end my posts on this thread. Just thought to give my opinion on some of these points.

~ Salvyn the Nomadess "The Truth about Bob Ross; he's immortal. Even when he's dead he has a LIVE stream."

24-Apr-2017 19:40:00

Lord Pyro I
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I'm not convinced that a sufficient number of people would walk into the wilderness just to get eaten at least certainly no long term but if they do then that rather makes the issue of supposedly not being able to grow crops in Forinthry irrelevant (any explanation of how the people living in Forinthry don't starve still means them not starving).

The beasts are a fair point although it should be noted that the avernic demons are not a threat to the zamorakian administration. As for other beasts, many of them are animals not killing machines so you simply have to learn how to coexist with them. It should be noted that under Asgarnia alone there is a large number of various monsters that could threaten the locals.

As for importing food, the Union itself has established island colonies which it uses to produce food that can be brought into the mainland. It also has established afew allies along the coast of the North Sea which act as trading partners.

Last point. Yes and no is the answer really. We were invited to formal gatherings of all the pok leaders on w42 time and treated almost as a sovereign power of equal importance. At the same time there were still many who disputed every word we said. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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24-Apr-2017 20:47:10

Spartae

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In defence of Pyro (hooo boy, that doesn't happen often - at least where lore accuracy is pertinent),

Unicorns live in the Wilderness. Chaos Dwarves - which are still, biologically, dwarves - live in the Wilderness. Humans, rats, grizzly bears, spiders, giants, wyrms, goblins, and dragons live in Forinthry/the Wilderness. It's not just Zamorakian abominations sauntering about. The coasts still offer edible fish from various tiers of the food chain. Humans at some point after the Edicts of Guthix settled in small farming communities. A plethora of human groups that *aren't* implied cannibals live here: Dark Knights, Black Knights, Rogues, Bandits, Magi. There are even areas where verdant, fertile grass grows (albeit very little).

It's clearly hospitable. Now, I do believe any large, complex society would eek by a cruel existence. The resources are obviously stretched thin. But then we've seen large societies manage to come from the most inhospitable of places in the real world.

As one of the scant few other players who led a large group in the depths of the Wilderness, I strongly believe it is possible for decently large communities to thrive here; just, well, ones who were raised in it and understand the ebb and flow of life and resources in the ruins of the north. I don't think some southron born, cushy Asgarnians or Kandars or Misthalinians could decide to head north one day and make a thriving community. Their subsistence practices are far too destructive and reliant on good farmland to cope well with Forinthry's more unforgiving climate.

Native born cities/empires, however? I dig it. I did dig it - Worshippers were bands of natives (much like the Wilderness Warbands) who became absorbed as bigger and more complex bands formed. Not so different from the roving Mongolians, their hierarchies, mobility, and understanding of their environment allowed even a large, complex settlement like Daemonheim to exist.


...Now, what am I doing here? I don't know.

Bye!

25-Apr-2017 00:56:17

Kara-Ara
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My point about the lack of anima is actually backed up by Lumbridge, oddly enough. The crater is pretty much the destruction of the gods destroying the land and making it barren for the time being, except nature grew back and filled it in. Forinthry has has milennia, literally. It would have at least basic grasses, if not a complete tundra environment, if the anima wasnt damaged there. It even cried out in pain and woke Guthix, and he either couldn't fix it or wouldn't, and he probably would've if he could.

So all things considered, Forinthry is a barren wasteland probably because of the anima being unsuitable for any growth at all. It would've simply grown back over time otherwise. "A silly ***** is what I'm going to call **** jokes from now on."
-Jen 2015

25-Apr-2017 01:03:31

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if forinthry is a barren wasteland because its anima can't grow anything at all that still doesn't explain how unicorns get by up there

or how dragons who presumably eat meat also live up there

evidently enough wildlife exists up there to support an ecosystem (And has done so since the god wars) and an ecosystem needs plants (grass especially) at its core to survive

you can find patches of grass in certain sites (I at least remember one mound that had grass growing) up there, so it seems like a bold claim to make that it is 'unsuitable for any growth at all'



though I think we all agree that yeah forinthry probably doesn't have any metropolitan areas going up for itself lol
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