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Character Application

Character Name: Jom, for the time being.
Character Race: He seems to be an elf.
Character Appearance: pointed ears, long black hair. piercing amber eyes, stands roughly around 6ft 2, wears a noble's outfit.
Are you applying to the Union?: Undecided for the time being.
If yes for what position?:
Which region will your character live in?: Undecided for the time being.
Will you follow the rules?: Sure, why not.
Other notes: Jom would like to scope out the land and those who hold the power, before he makes a decision about joining.

14-Dec-2016 16:43:11

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Lord Pyro I

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@Matty accepted

1) There were survivors, sorry
2) No reason to think I need to track him, given Mah's mental state it's unclear she'd even understand the meaning of the word so it's evidently not needed.
3) You know full well what connects the two. You saw it immediately and described it in detail with the only reason it wouldn't work being stated as "it wouldn't work"
4) Eh not really I'll stick to just using it, don't care how "efficiently" it's done
5) Feel free to present your evidence
6) Pyro paid his fellow zamorakian mahjarrat a visit and discussed recent events.

Oh and if you want to get Vile killed by sending him against Pyro, please do nothing would delight me more. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

#WarIsComing

14-Dec-2016 18:31:37 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2016 18:31:57 by Lord Pyro I

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RiDaku

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1) There were survivors, sorry
No there weren't. It was a clean sweep and the thread created that announced Bane's death mentioned that there were no survivors.

2) No reason to think I need to track him, given Mah's mental state it's unclear she'd even understand the meaning of the word so it's evidently not needed.
Mah is an Elder God and what applies to us doesn't apply to her. Nevermind that she was calling back what already belonged to her, she doesn't need to know who the people are, though even then Karshai was safe from the drain while he wiped his mind and believed himself to be Koschei.

3) You know full well what connects the two. You saw it immediately and described it in detail with the only reason it wouldn't work being stated as "it wouldn't work"
Assuming you're working off the idea that Vohsar has Bane's energy and therefore somehow Pyro can drain Vohsar, Bane is not a part of Vohsar. If for example Vile had assimilated Bane, taken his mind as well as his power, then yes this could be possible if not for the other things that prevent it from being possible. He didn't, Bane was killed and his released energy was channeled through the Marker and siphoned in to Vohsar. If Pyro were accepted and were directly near Vohsar draining him, that's a different story, but this isn't possible.

4) Eh not really I'll stick to just using it, don't care how "efficiently" it's done
Translation: "Don't care if I'm better than an elder god at using an elder god's creation, i'm going to use an elder god's creation better than an elder god." So it turns out, I guess, that we have an Elder God to replace Mah, and his name is Lord Pyro. Really I should just stop here, you've straight up admitted you're playing an Elder God.
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14-Dec-2016 19:05:50 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2016 19:09:02 by RiDaku

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RiDaku

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5) Feel free to present your evidence
Where's your evidence that this drain is happening, where's your evidence that all the plots that somehow counter anything and everything that can be done to stop this rofl-drain, where's your evidence that Lorelei died, where's your evidence that Pyro wasn't fully killed and that you aren't pulling this out of your ass? Screenshots only please, you can pull things out of your ass all day.

6) Pyro paid his fellow zamorakian mahjarrat a visit and discussed recent events.
Fellow zamorakian mahjarrat that are all played by you and therefore dismissable because they only exist to be carbon copies of your mary sue.

>Oh and if you want to get Vile killed by sending him against Pyro, please do nothing would delight me more.
I said that if I accepted Pyro and if not for all your powerplaying, metagaming and straight-up rofling I'd have Vile respond instead of Vohsar, but the fact remains you're absolutely insane. The Sicarius |

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14-Dec-2016 19:08:40 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2016 19:10:32 by RiDaku

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Lord Pyro I

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1) Your autokilling of our characters is not acknowledged there were survivors
2) Your reasoning is based on your desire to win the argument only, there is no lore to state that it would work differently if someone other than Mah used it.
3)It's always been made clear in RS lore that there exists a connection made by drawing energy from something else, such as the dragonkin draining V and Mah draining creations that were no longer part of her (your crude definition of how it works would prevent Mah from draining her creations as they are no longer part of her)
4) As I recall the Mahjarrat used the device to siphon ALL the energy of Mah herself in a very short space of time. There may have been more of them, they may have had help so it's gunna take Pyro a lot longer but there's no reason to think it isn't possible.
5)Most of this point seems to be a rant but I'll pick up the key points here as best I can
a) My proof that lorelei was killed is that her post on this thread proves she was in a dangerous situation which she chose to rofl out of rather than RP out her escape.
b) My proof that Pyro wasn't fully killed is that the "death" was posted by me and was left specifically ambiguous (feel free to look it up if you like, might still be on the forums) to enable his return.
6)This is a foolish assumption given the number of Zamorakian Mahjarrat present at the event.

To others: I realise this does not seem the most legitimate of actions or at least not an action taken on W42 under ordinary circumstances. Under ridaku's own admission to me, he rps to the full extent of what is possible within RS lore. In my engagements with him and no where else I have decided to adopt this so that we are both playing by the same rulebook. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

#WarIsComing

14-Dec-2016 19:55:09

Zrie

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Lord Pyro I said :
2) Your reasoning is based on your desire to win the argument only, there is no lore to state that it would work differently if someone other than Mah used it.
There is no lore to suggest that anyone other than Mah can in fact use it. The general rule of thumb is if you don't know, don't do it. If you can't prove that it's lore, then- as of now- it's not. It being plausible does not necessarily make it possible. Head-canon is easily disputable because everyone has their own interpretations of lore.

14-Dec-2016 20:17:19

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RiDaku

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1) You literally autokilled someone two pages back and unlike that, this was actually roleplayed out with everyone getting slaughtered
2) My reasoning is based off bloody fucking logic. There's nothing stating that anybody else could use it the way Mah used it.
3) Dragonkin draining V required an elder artifact. Dreams of Mah, Zaros and Seren all function off of Mah's energy which she partitioned in to other sentient life forms, and she was calling the energy back to her. Pyro and Vohsar don't have any relation except being the same race, and to my knowledge I can't go around as a human and drain other humans of their energy just because we're both humans.
4) Mah was right there and again, there was a directly intimate relationship. Also the World Guardian was there helping them.
5) "I don't like her so I'm going to force an outcome, but people who don't like me can't force an outcome on me. Also I half-assedly wrote accepting my own death and then pulled this out of my ass half a year later."
6) "I'm Pyro and I'm directly having my character interact with lore mahjarrat". The Sicarius |

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14-Dec-2016 20:21:37 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2016 20:28:02 by RiDaku

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Lord Pyro I

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Zrie said :
Lord Pyro I said :
2) Your reasoning is based on your desire to win the argument only, there is no lore to state that it would work differently if someone other than Mah used it.
There is no lore to suggest that anyone other than Mah can in fact use it. The general rule of thumb is if you don't know, don't do it. If you can't prove that it's lore, then- as of now- it's not. It being plausible does not necessarily make it possible. Head-canon is easily disputable because everyone has their own interpretations of lore.

This is incorrect Mah was not the only one who used the stone to drain energy. It was also used by the mahjarrat.

1) I still have not autokilled Dexar unless she refuses to rp out the event in which case there is no choice. The character in question did not die during the battle, indeed several didn't.
2) They are nearly identical creatures differing only in power.
3) Vohsar functions off of the energy he drained from Bane.
4) World Guardian did nothing more than prevent hoards of Muspah overwhelming them he was not involved in the draining. It's true there are differences such as distance but the stone was set up to allow draining over a large distance. Pyro is draining all his energy within reach back into himself, using just the same sort of broad stroke approach as Mah herself.
5) Yeah I don't see any reasoned argument to reply to here
6) Sticking to RS lore just as you did. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

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14-Dec-2016 20:42:01

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RiDaku

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1. You have autokilled Dexar, you straight up said that your group refuses to recognize her surviving and even blacklist her for leaving.
2. Okay, so humans can drain other humans for no reason, gotcha.
3. No, Vohsar functions off his own energy. The energy is not Bane's, it ceased to be Bane's the moment Bane died and his power was channeled through the Ritual Marker.
4. World Guardian's blessing from Guthix allowed him to resist Mah to some extent, and his presence inside of her stopped her from screaming everybody to death to stop the drain because he dampened her strength even further. The Marker was set up to allow draining over a large distance, but again the cross-world drain was being done by an Elder God who STILL couldn't do it properly, and also the power does not belong to Pyro. Your argument is that the power belongs to Bane (which is still wrong), but even then Bane is not Pyro's offspring unless he's not a full Mahjarrat, as the Ritual of Ennervation was how Dreams of Mah created more Dreams. They channeled their energy in to Mah, and directed her terrors in to creating a new Dream. This is why Zemouregal #1 died, he made up for the missing power from a dead Dream and killed himself to make Mah create another Dream. Note that Zemouregal #1 never became Zemouregal #2, Zemouregal #2 just took on #1's name. Therefore, even Bane's power doesn't belong to Pyro. If this drain thing worked like this anyways, Zemouregal would just have all the Zamorakian mahjarrat gather to drain the Zarosian mahjarrat.
5. I'm mocking you.
6. I haven't had my character directly interact with any lore Mahjarrat, I've just had him witness events. Which.. yours couldn't have done, because you rofl-revived after Children of Mah. The Sicarius |

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14-Dec-2016 20:53:18 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2016 20:54:47 by RiDaku

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Lord Pyro I

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1. Forget this, you know full well I'd prefer to see her RP it out legitimately.
2. Oh so humans became Mahjarrat without me noticing? Mahjarrat can use the stone because they are similar to the being who used the stone (actually they used it too). Humans are not similar to either.
3. Under this argument Zaros's energy ceased to be Mah's when she created him meaning she could never drain him again. Oh wait...
4. Since Mah isn't around to be a threat the World Guardian isn't needed as a defence. Ritual of Ennervation changed after the Mahjarrat left their homeworld to solely use the energy of the participants.
6. Same difference, it was only a brief chat afterall. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

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14-Dec-2016 21:39:20

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