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Vekon

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This thread, and the concept behind the type of RP, is a breath of fresh air. It's no secret that 42 needs to see some sort of new style of organized RP and this is most definitely a step in the right direction. Exclusion has been a lead cause of death to activity and a system that invites all to engage and cooperate on equal terms sounds really nice.

Imagine 42 actually feeling like a community again
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HouseVekon

08-Dec-2018 17:11:43

Lord Pyro I
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Vekon said :
This thread, and the concept behind the type of RP, is a breath of fresh air. It's no secret that 42 needs to see some sort of new style of organized RP and this is most definitely a step in the right direction. Exclusion has been a lead cause of death to activity and a system that invites all to engage and cooperate on equal terms sounds really nice.

Imagine 42 actually feeling like a community again


This is nothing new, POKs have often incorporated several groups into themselves (including groups not within the control of the POK owner) and none more so than Asgarnia. The factions remain entirely the same as they previously were except that factions designed to "win" (as this is all done for the benefit of a tiny few) have gone from being destroyed to being far more powerful than they ever were. I see no evidence of "equal terms" here and certainly it is an effort in increasing exclusion by trying to subvert the legitimate Asgarnian POK.

P.S. Even the 5 minutes spent on paint to build the map isn't new, it feels more like a rip off of the Forinthry thread.
"The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"
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08-Dec-2018 17:38:15 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 17:39:16 by Lord Pyro I

Vekon

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Lord Pyro I said :
Vekon said :
This thread, and the concept behind the type of RP, is a breath of fresh air. It's no secret that 42 needs to see some sort of new style of organized RP and this is most definitely a step in the right direction. Exclusion has been a lead cause of death to activity and a system that invites all to engage and cooperate on equal terms sounds really nice.

Imagine 42 actually feeling like a community again


some random garb


1. It is new, because it isn't a PoK and the groups aren't answering to a singular leader who dictates what goes and what doesn't.

2. The factions are the same somewhat, but I don't understand how any of them have gone from being "destroyed" or whatever it is you're trying to say.

3. Evidence of equal terms? I think that exists in the cooperative story building part of the thread. Think very carefully about this one, Pyro. The leaders of each faction have been in discussions with one another about how the RP could go and there hasn't been one instance of arguing.

4. There's no exclusion; everyone can come and contribute as they like. It isn't connected with the "PoK" version of Asgarnia because the two don't mix; this was bound to happen when the current leader of the PoK Asgarnia did what he did, and Varis isn't exactly innocent in his actions either.

5. I genuinely don't think anyone has ever looked at your thread enough to have stolen content from it, no offense.

I know it's easy to be a naysayer whenever something occurs on 42 that doesn't align with your machinations and plans, but I think it's worth waiting until the RP unfolds entirely to start making judgements based on your angst about the situation.
KANDAR VICTA

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HouseVekon

08-Dec-2018 18:20:38

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1. As highlighted that has never really been what a POK is, many, many previous kingdoms have incorporated other groups into their RP.

2. Camp Donblas was destroyed (as described by both groups in different ways) but is now described as not only back buy the central camp of a far larger revolution.

3. I believe it is shown to not exist because of issues like point 2. The fact that the leaders of these groups are happy to work together to achieve an outcome that favors specific groups is not one that the leaders themselves will suffer from (which is why they agree to it) but those they lead.

4. It is a direct exclusion of the existing group that rules Asgarnia and the majority of RPers that still acknowledge it. Like the previous attempt to divide Asgarnia into two separate canons it can only lead to dividing W42 itself.

5. Just pointing out it isn't a new idea.

In this case I believe we have seen what will unfold from this type of RP (one aimed solely at subverting a legitimate group made by RPers who have been shown to invariably disappear from W42 once this is accomplished) to make a judgement on it now. We only have to see the same old thing tried again so many times before we can advise that it should not be attempted again given the damage it has previously done to our community.
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08-Dec-2018 18:32:57

Vekon

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Lord Pyro I said :
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1. Not what a PoK is, sure. But some leaders have taken to running it the wrong way.

2. Camp Donblas obtained a lot of their wealth (gunpowder, too) through trading with various groups behind the scenes. On the surface, sure it looks like they may have lost their only camp, but let's be real.

3. Shown not to exist? Not sure why you're making that assumption; why not go and ask the other faction leaders about their stance on it instead of deciding for yourself.

4. It's another dual-canon happening in Asgarnia, sure. But I can guarantee you those who just want to see active RP will just make characters to partake in both sides of the RP. It would be excluding if people were barred from doing so, but that isn't the case.

5. Weird flex but ok

The group isn't aimed at subverting anything? Except maybe the other groups ICly within the RP. I get you're defending your partner and crime and all but try to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. And I'm not getting why you think this is the "same thing tried over and over again"; nothing has hurt this community more than ignoring groups, not engaging, blacklists, etc.
KANDAR VICTA

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HouseVekon

08-Dec-2018 18:55:31

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Vekon said :
Lord Pyro I said :
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2. Camp Donblas obtained a lot of their wealth (gunpowder, too) through trading with various groups behind the scenes. On the surface, sure it looks like they may have lost their only camp, but let's be real.

The group isn't aimed at subverting anything? Except maybe the other groups ICly within the RP. I get you're defending your partner and crime and all but try to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. And I'm not getting why you think this is the "same thing tried over and over again"; nothing has hurt this community more than ignoring groups, not engaging, blacklists, etc.


It's "Partner in Crime".

The bigger picture is that there is an attempt to split W42 in half again in the same way that has been done before and has brought down active RP before.

Any and all trade and additional camps should have been stated on the thread because it would have only drawn more attention to the camp and certainly been prevented by those who actually owned the region. You, who have argued about supply lines in situations that were frankly basically fine can't defend not even mentioning large amounts of trade through hostile enemy territory as legitimate.

And please could you stop trying to imply that since this is a new group we don't know anything about its intentions? We have seen the actions of its leaders over the past few months and indeed other things they have been involved in over the years. When I say that this thread exists purely to subvert the existing POK I am not asking a question, it is not a point of debate. It is a self evident fact of which we are all aware based many, many past RPs.
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08-Dec-2018 19:20:45

Vekon

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I will wait patiently for your "council of 42" to address this situation

Can't wait for this RP to kick off
KANDAR VICTA

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HouseVekon

08-Dec-2018 19:24:06

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Vekon said :
I will wait patiently for your "council of 42" to address this situation

Can't wait for this RP to kick off


Kick off?

Given the general activity of most of its leaders I imagine its just about finished isn't it?
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08-Dec-2018 19:36:03

TheMendicant

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Speaking of kick off, the final version of the campaign map (to start) is being finalized! Message your faction chef to inquire!

Faction Chefs are the faction leaders in charge of cookin' up plots. Added this to the faction listings.
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08-Dec-2018 19:39:16 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 19:44:35 by TheMendicant

RiDaku
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Har Sicarius said :
Ridaku made it clear post Donblas battle that he expected a split Asgarnia, and from the interactions he has also made it apparent that how he chooses to roleplay is not compatible with our style.


First, before I address this, I appreciate that you tried to quell this before it started, Stu, but I really wish my thread had been offered that same generosity. Unfortunately not. Alright! So,

I did expect this result. You can see from the way I posted on The Patriot thread that I knew exactly how this would all turn out, and tried to subvert it. I had set my problems with what was going to happen right out in the open, for everybody to see, and then asked Varis to come talk with me so we could make it not happen. Until Varis DM'd me about it, his thread exploded in to a "debate" (not really much of one, more just people yelling at me for trying to get some communication re-established) about whether or not I was right in my accusations. Which, let's be real here, I was. It's not like admitting it is going to stop you, we don't have any form of moderation to punish you, and since the people getting involved and supporting you were all involved in what I was accusing Camp Donblas of, it's not like openly saying "Yeah we rigged it" is going to see you chased off.

From the start, Camp Donblas wasn't intended to actually get along with whoever was in charge. It wasn't planned to be anything more than a "we win" group. You've got an old-head from back in the day when that type of thing was common and everybody was doing it, doing it the only way he knows how. Shit, when he first came back, his first sentence to everybody in falador was "I can be bribed for 1 Asgarnia", and then sat down and asked people to suggest names for his brand-new character that he'd shoehorn into the Grey family to give him some leverage with powerplaying the civvies.

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08-Dec-2018 21:29:48 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2018 21:38:39 by RiDaku

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