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Overnight, it seemed, the Viscount had ordered the mass tuning of crystals to teleportation crystals set for Isafdar. Members of the Amddiffynnwr Uchel were being well-stocked on supplies of said crystals, and began preparing for the long haul towards wherever the Viscount had in mind.

The second phase was about to kick off.
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04-Oct-2016 02:39:43 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2016 02:39:56 by BloxzorKBG

Rivendell
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Okay I've never been one to stop people RPing what they want, but Tirannwn is pretty much an unclaimable zone. For MANY lore reasons that - sure you could just ignore since some lore is ignored in RP - but to ignore all of it is literally going against every precedent of Elven lore.


1) Seren literally stands in Prifddinas. The elves VERY goddess who is huge on protection and wouldn't tolerate infighting amongst her people.
And you're planning to use pieces of her body to teleport into Tirannwn? She could literally sense it and stop it. Plus, there isn't that many crystals to allow teleportation since the pass was needed to be used.
She wouldn't let what happened with Iorwerth happen again, if she's around to stop it.

2) Don't even get me started on the fact your numbers would never be able to match against the entire forces of the Elves.
King Baxtorian failed and he had an entire KINGDOM full of Elves when he struck back against Iorwerth in the late Fourth Age, and that was only Prifddinas. You have a bunch of runaways and a measly squadron or two, you don't stand close to even bringing down one of the Clans, let alone might of the eight.

3) There's a damn reason the past few years no one has touched or dared to lay claim to the Elven lands, it's because we respect it enough to leave it in the 8 Clans lands, which are integral to the lore of the land, just as Darkmeyer isn't claimable under Morytania. To do so messes the lore too much.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned this is foolish. Note, I said nothing against your character's intentions, I'mwell aware Nolf is crazy. But my point is he wouldn't have a mass following of it or support. It's doomed to fail before you can even start it.

I'm literally begging you. I have such a love for Elves and you were one of the few people in RS giving well needed attention. Don't just throw it all away like this for a need to rule some land that nothing will come of it, since it wouldn't happen..
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04-Oct-2016 07:52:29 - Last edited on 04-Oct-2016 07:55:07 by Rivendell

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Rivendell said :
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Alright, spent all day trying to come up with ways to respond to this one. I'll keep it short and simple. For your sake and for the sake of lore, Jim, I'll refrain from ICly taking hold of the area, though I will continue forward with my current plotlines that will involve the region.

However, I just want to take this opportunity to point out the hypocrisy in allowing custom lore elven clans, elf-mahjarrat hybrids and even just mahjarrats at all within public role-play and even in major IC positions of power where people are forced to accept their existence in the role-play; yet at the same time, it's a sin to twist and turn events to allow kingship over a segment of Tirannwn.

Just saying.
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05-Oct-2016 01:29:20 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2016 01:41:16 by BloxzorKBG

CrocoNuts
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for your sake

What the hell, man. Why would you change things in your roleplay for someone who is not even half as active in W42 as you are? You make a very valid point about all the custom shit going on and you not even being able to realise your dream roleplay scenario.

Let me ask you this. What rule is there that prevents you from claiming that area? We have a wilderness kingdom, two Ardougnes and a bunch of custum lore roleplayers around but you can't make some changes because of lore? Bit double. Quickly learn how to Roleplay on RuneScape!

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05-Oct-2016 06:40:59

Quael
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Jim Martin,
1. Seren isn't interfering with her elves anymore, as after the Light Within, Seren has stated that she is acknowledging the council, which remind you are the leaders of the clans, as true leaders of the elves. She would only stay in the tower of voices singing to keep the city steady. For short she isn't their goddess anymore, she is their servant, as she stated. So the council are the ones who would keep an eye on things and interfere.

2. There is a different between armies, and a kingdom. The Iorwerth Clan are an army clan, they are the man power, the fighters of the elves. When the elves are ever in a war, they would be sent after the Cadarn Clan, who were the elves spy/scouts. You're suggesting that every elves are fighters, but they aren't, the reason the kingdom lost to the Iorwerth, because the Iorwerth were the army, the military of the elves. All other clans were just workers. the Cadarn were just scouts, and somewhat fighters, but not as powerful as Iorwerth. So forgive me, but your statement there isn't really accurate, They probably have the might to bring down maybe two clans that are workers, but if it came down to Cadarn, and Iorwerth, yes, they stand no chance.

3. If I recall, the reason no one touched Tirannwn in the past years that it was the 5th age and during the 6th age, was because there was no true leadership, the only clans we saw were Iorwerth and Cadarn, and it was stated that other clans were hidden within the woods, and there was no city to claim. Until Prifddinas was released. Prifddinas is the capital of Tirannwn, so owning Prifddinas, owns Tirannwn. if he claims Prifddinas, in my opinion, he should have other people as clan leaders to help run it. Darkmeyer was the same reason.

he has all the right to claim that kingdom, or a land in it, So long as he acknowledges (in my opinion) Prifddinas as the capital of the kingdom.
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05-Oct-2016 15:12:00 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2016 15:16:36 by Quael

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Also jim your statement about the crystals, you are right, there isn't THAT MUCH, but as seen, there is enough, to still support an army, so it is up to the elves to save the crystal like the dead elf in missing presumed death, or use it like every other elf in priff, outside of priff before priff was released.
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05-Oct-2016 15:20:26

Rivendell
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In complete fairness, I came on here to say that having spent the past day or so thinking back, I wanted to retract my statement in that, really, my opinion shouldn't matter on such a roleplay, since it likely wouldn't impact my RP. On top of that, in the event it did affect my RP, why should I or anyone be permitted to determine or decide your own story? Ultimately if I disagree with something, I can just opt to ignore it from my own canon.

So I will apologise for that, Ryan. And in fact, I think you should go ahead with your own story and ignore what I've said. I still dislike it, but as Lozz pointed out I'm not even half - actually probably a quarter - as active as you are.

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True, I'd forgotten about Seren's unwilling involvement with the Elves any more. I put down to the idea she would interfere if necessary, but I went and spoke to her to double check.

Cadarn actually were the main militia force, this is refuted quite a few times, but Iorwerth had a few advantages at the time and were able to beat them back I'm sure?

Hmm, was it specifically stated that's why no one touched Tirannwn? I take it you mean from the perspective of the Elves, and not from Humans? Cause we know Elves were largely regarded as myth and fabled history by the commoner, and the most experienced scholars and historian weren't too sure of their state beyond the mountains. But, from the Elf perspective, you're right. The Civil War had thrown them all into a state of disarray all clans that weren't actively involved in the rebellion against Iorwerth, residing hidden in the forests and woods. Lletya was the exception, serving as both the Cadarn's HQ (as far as we know, since Arianwyn led the rebellion) and elves from the other clans who were sympathetic (such as Kelyn, and her predecessor the former Lady Ithell, who of course were from the Ithell clan (and others).
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05-Oct-2016 16:14:20

Rivendell
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As for the crystal point- well, I'd argue there's truth to this, but it's also not something that can actually be accurately measured nor is it fair for anyone to state as canon. There was a shortage of crystal outside Prifddinas, so it's plausible that if the Telemmaite forces had received their crystal from Prifddinas since it's reconstruction then they could be equipped enough.
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05-Oct-2016 16:16:13

Quael
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Jim,

Yes she would interfere if she needs to but not if it involves war betweens the elf unless it is something that does require her to interfere, but it probably wouldn't happen again as everything is in peace. She'd probably would interfere if the eight elders asks, and tells her of the situation. If it threatens the city and her, se probably would, if not, we also have the World Guardian. I only see her interfering if the Gods, or their warring faction were to threaten the city itself.

As for the Cadarn. When the God Wars ended, many elves travelled through the recently built Arandar pass to the lands beyond, where they began to establish settlements and treaties under the rule of King Baxtorian. Nearly all of the Cadarn Clan left Tirannwn, taking up protection over the elven settlers.

However, this left Prifddinas open to attack, not from foreigners, but from the Iorwerth Clan, one of the eight Elven Families. Led by Lord Iorwerth, the Iorwerth Clan was able to easily take the city, allowing them to control the Tower of Voices. The other seven families were forced to leave Prifddinas. That was their advantage yes. So what I meant was, during the 4th age, Cadarn were used as defences, as Iorwerth were used as either Assassin's, or fighters.

And yes, as I recalled as many stated for the elves themselves. Now that Priff is up, I was hoping to see people rp as elves more, but not everyone quests.
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05-Oct-2016 17:27:09

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