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Lady Airlea
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High or Low Fantasy? Real answer... Neither Sort of?

Heroic Fantasy best suits Runescape in the Fifth Age. The story of the hero and their lens into the world is what becomes important, not the fight for absolute good, nor the gritty goal of accomplishing your task in a world of jerks.

Heroic fantasy doesn't delve often into politics, but if it does many of the political villians are pawns of some higher power. (Examples, Lord Iorwerth and the Dark Lord, Hreidmar and (a delusion of) Zamorak, Bandos Avatar and Bandos, Amascut's followers.)

However, when we enter into the Sixth Age we gain more high fantasy qualities. The world is fragile and in need of protection, constantly hurling the World Guardian to stop apocalyptic scenarios. Whether you use it or not, magic ends up being the solution to most of these problems, whether it be through Ariane, or the inherent magic of the World Guardian.

Runescape is a hybrid of Heroic and High Fantasy. Magic is no secret, and magic is a solution to many problems the World Guardian encounters. Yet, almost all we see of the world comes through the Hero.

This is why we have these problems of discerning what to use as filler for our politics and our armies, customs and ideas. We don't see much into them. We see only what our hero(es), the World Guardian and Sally (Idle Adventures) see.

But what they see is something unique enough it draws us in and makes us want to be a part of it.
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01-Jun-2016 13:43:37 - Last edited on 01-Jun-2016 16:09:51 by Lady Airlea

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Honestly these threads always seem to pop up all the time and do absolutely nothing. People will say runescape it high fantasy, others will not. People will say it's medieval, others will not. It's just how people on this game are. But, kudos for the effort. |
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01-Jun-2016 15:06:21

Lady Airlea
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Magnickicent said :
Honestly these threads always seem to pop up all the time and do absolutely nothing. People will say runescape it high fantasy, others will not. People will say it's medieval, others will not. It's just how people on this game are. But, kudos for the effort.

People say one way or another, but mostly just bicker about it. I'm throwing all the knowledge I have on Medieval sources and structures of power down, to make it very clear that what defines the Middle Ages to academia simply doesn't exist in Gielinor.

If I start a topic on it, great. If people continue on with what their doing... Well, that causes problems.

If I view things as Renaissance, and you don't, but your character is mine's Liegelord/King, that changes my character's ability to rebel, hold their ground, and overall power.

Many people simultaneously want to have Serf structures in their Kingdoms and central power, but... You can't have your cake and eat it too, is what I'm saying.

If you want to do strictly medieval stuff, you have to be aware that means Nobles (like mine) don't tuck tail and follow often. If you want to do Renaissance stuff, great. You can have central power, while my Nobles continue their mercantile trade as they've been doing to stay afloat, wealthy, and competitive. Constantly changing between the two makes it difficult for Noble roleplay to exist, enough so that it's frankly non-existent.
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01-Jun-2016 16:25:02 - Last edited on 01-Jun-2016 16:27:11 by Lady Airlea

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Renaissance but let me specify.


We should also take into account how big the historic Renaissance was and who was affected by it. And I just want to point out that the period does stem from the revival of classical literature, art, ideals, etc from Ancient Greece and Rome, I'd like to ask what would be the source of the Gielinorian Renaissance.

Anyway,

The real Renaissance is perceived to occur in the 15th and 16th centuries and really spawned in Italy, why? Many Italian states were very wealthy so were able to support this kind of cultural movement. Naval states such as Venice traded with kingdoms and empires in the east (such as the Ottomans), becoming MORE wealthy allowing painters and poets to do their thing, as well as access ancient Roman and Greek documents and artificial preserved by these Islamic empires. We must ask WHY Gielinorian countries, specifically the human kingdoms, are able to experience a Renaissance.

Personally, I think the study of magic has the answer, it's study can usher in new ideas and perceptions about humans and the world around them. Because magic has allowed humans to dominate the globe, this could allow a Renaissance to form.

My other point is the scale and who is affected,

Though changing history, the Renaissance realistically affected only a tiny slither of people, who were considerably wealthier than those around them. The Renaissance was never brought to peasants and out of the cities to change human thinking entirely. It wasn't anything like e.g the Fre*** Revolution.

So yes, it can and possibly is happening right now in Gielinor, but not everyone is experiencing it, it could also be hampered by the Second God Wars which can make faith dominant over rationality. ; )

02-Jun-2016 11:16:49

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Lady Airlea said :
Tom says Runescape isn't high fantasy
This is ****ing dumb

" High fantasy is defined as fantasy set in an alternative, fictional world, rather than the real world. The secondary world is usually internally consistent, but its rules differ from those of the primary world. " - wherever

do I need to explain further :P

02-Jun-2016 14:12:14 - Last edited on 02-Jun-2016 14:12:50 by poop in pant

Lady Airlea
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poop in pant said :
Lady Airlea said :
Tom says Runescape isn't high fantasy
This is ****ing dumb

" High fantasy is defined as fantasy set in an alternative, fictional world, rather than the real world. The secondary world is usually internally consistent, but its rules differ from those of the primary world. " - wherever

do I need to explain further

Usually he dragged real world evidence to something and added ''Before someone says High Fantasy...''
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02-Jun-2016 16:05:23 - Last edited on 02-Jun-2016 16:06:29 by Lady Airlea

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