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SpeedoJor
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RiDaku said :
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catgirl vampyres

I've heard this a few times, and it's not even close to what's going on. In fact, the first time I heard that, I caught whiplash. There are no examples of vampyres in my group, and despite the fact that I see no problem with catgirls or any sort of gene-spliced race (we have numerous examples of mixed creatures coming about in-lore), I can very confidently say that we also don't have any catgirls. I believe that rumor came from one of my RPers walking in to the rising sun wearing cat-ear overrides, and then changing them off after remembering they had them on. Telephone games are fun, aren't they?

Unfortunately, the first post of this thread gives a good hint that some previous discussions were just sea-lioning. What a shame.


Not too sure what telephone games you're engaging in, but it's certainly not legal in the UK or European Union. (Maybe Texas it's legal, idk).
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26-Feb-2019 18:28:41

WardenOfW42

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RiDaku said :
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catgirl vampyres

I've heard this a few times, and it's not even close to what's going on. In fact, the first time I heard that, I caught whiplash. There are no examples of vampyres in my group, and despite the fact that I see no problem with catgirls or any sort of gene-spliced race (we have numerous examples of mixed creatures coming about in-lore), I can very confidently say that we also don't have any catgirls. I believe that rumor came from one of my RPers walking in to the rising sun wearing cat-ear overrides, and then changing them off after remembering they had them on. Telephone games are fun, aren't they?

Unfortunately, the first post of this thread gives a good hint that some previous discussions were just sea-lioning. What a shame.


I never knew that people accused your group of containing them, sorry if I insulted you through my question. I had no idea, but they were just mentioned out in Falador the other day. Also I had to look up seo-lioning and if I give off that vibe I'm sorry too but I just want some answers and I am sharing my thoughts. That is what I believe the forums are for. I see people are mature and I assure you I will stop things if it gets out of hand and you get flamebaited again. I know how to contact forum mods.

26-Feb-2019 18:38:52

WardenOfW42

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SpeedoJor said :
RiDaku said :
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catgirl vampyres

I've heard this a few times, and it's not even close to what's going on. In fact, the first time I heard that, I caught whiplash. There are no examples of vampyres in my group, and despite the fact that I see no problem with catgirls or any sort of gene-spliced race (we have numerous examples of mixed creatures coming about in-lore), I can very confidently say that we also don't have any catgirls. I believe that rumor came from one of my RPers walking in to the rising sun wearing cat-ear overrides, and then changing them off after remembering they had them on. Telephone games are fun, aren't they?

Unfortunately, the first post of this thread gives a good hint that some previous discussions were just sea-lioning. What a shame.


Not too sure what telephone games you're engaging in, but it's certainly not legal in the UK or European Union. (Maybe Texas it's legal, idk).

Please stop trolling threads.

26-Feb-2019 18:39:21

Vekon

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WardenOfW42 said :
two Asgarnias, one with a vengfull attempt to get back at someone and the other apparently has quite a powerful and unlikely leader.

Let me also address this in more detail.

This didn't really happen in the lost past of 42 history, I don't think. Essentially, there is sort of a rift in the community and on either side stands an opposing faction. It is solely based on held grudges and long gone disputes fueled by a toxic attitude people have generated for one another.

You'll find that a large amount of the people left in this community have a negative attitude towards the leader of the Asgarnia1. We've been here for years and I can tell you right now that their opinions towards said leader aren't based off of random bullshit or senseless drama. There are very valid reasons for their attitudes, but I won't go into detail here. Anyway, that same person came to power in Asgarnia1 and, unsurprisingly, people weren't really happy. Many people don't acknowledge them due to that, and some of the people that did try to engage were essentially turned away for different reasons (though some of them equally valid, perhaps). Due to those reasons, there are people that view it as private RP.

Asgarnia2 is led by someone on the opposite side of that rift. They wanted to make a PoK centralized in Asgarnia, one that anyone and everyone could take part in without being turned away(or I think that was the goal, anyway). One that would respond to any IC interactions whether negative(invading countries/antagonism), or positive. Which, IMO, is what a PUBLIC PoK should do.

You'll find that for every person that favors one Asgarnia over the other, there is one person who thinks both parties are handling things poorly.
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26-Feb-2019 19:00:15 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2019 19:05:30 by Vekon

Dansplainer
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1) While I would agree that we have become more accepting of what would be previously questionable elements in our community, I would say that this is mostly due to the introduction of gods and the expansions which Jagex has made to the lore, in general. It has, overall, become far more fantastical (especially since about 2013) than it was in 2007-2009. The concept of a disputed canon is a little more recent, but I believe it has its precedence in an series of events that occured in 2016, when two different Kandarin PoKs existed at the same time due to a dispute between their leadership. Of course, I would argue, this event was a long-time-coming. I am sure that even in your time, Warden, the people have had issues with keeping a line between what is OOC and IC as well as having irreconcilable differences. Well, that vicious, divisive spirit persisted and we reached a point where we could no longer coexist.
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26-Feb-2019 19:57:13

Dansplainer
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2) The issue is that most of everything in lore, especially regarding PoKs, is subject to one's own interpretation and the consensus of the community. Of course, there are things that most of us would feel is obvious, pertaining to the line between what is canon and what is game mechanic. Unfortunately, the only way to know for sure is to ask a Jagex Moderator or await them to put a clarification of the lore in dispute in-game. Of course, that can also just bring even more points to dispute and, as far as I know, the opposition tends to reject J-Mod answers as canon. However, he may freely object to this claim, as I really cannot substantiate it.

In my opinion, it should be obvious that the player-owned farms is game mechanics. I highly doubt that fully grown dragons are just going to be okay with sitting in pens next to bunnies and araxyte spiders, not to mention the fact that you can raise a KBD in player-owned farms. Furthermore, though I know it's a little nitpicky and RiDaku could've just made a mistake in the heat of the moment, we do not have the ability to communicate with our pet dragons at any stage, regardless of our summoning skill. There's so much more to add to this, but I think this is enough to lead to my point; it is cherrypicking because the opposition has decided to pick and choose what benefits his argument, without considering the unrealistic, canonically-contradictory implications the rest of his source, were they to be canonized, has on the lore. Hi, I'm Dan.

26-Feb-2019 19:57:20 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2019 20:11:58 by Dansplainer

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3) Necromancy is considered an evil and disgraceful thing across the board, yes. There has absolutely been no change in what would be the IC public's opinion of necromancy and the products of it. Now, that's not to say that the opposition's characters are known publicly as creatures of necromancy, but, I do believe that since it is established that Saradomin manages the three major kingdoms, he would not approve of a king who is clearly undead, imposing his undead dragon on the city of Falador. It is for this reason, and for a few others, that I view the opposition's PoK as unsatisfactory to the public RP standard and, undeniably, private/sandbox roleplay.

4) I do think that Syn's guide deserves a sticky and that the guide created and ran by RiDaku is a bit messy and convoluted, compared to the one done by CrocoNuts. I do not think we need TWO roleplaying guides, the smaller, quicker one does just fine, but that's just me. Hi, I'm Dan.

26-Feb-2019 19:58:01 - Last edited on 26-Feb-2019 19:58:16 by Dansplainer

Syncreticeye
Dec Member 2017

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WardenOfW42 said :

4 The welcome thread has been replaced sort of, it is now called a quick guide, super cool! But why is the other one not replaced with the ultimate catch-up guide that Syncreticeye has? It’s super good, maybe the quick guide and the ultimate can work it out! It should at least get a 3rd sticky don’t you guys think? I know the other guide is the main one we passed over through the years but it seems super outdated and those other two guides put it to shame imo. Or maybe we can make it a community effort to update the main guide? Just shooting ideas.

I appreciate the praise, and I can't remember if I actually spoke to a mod about this or not, but because it relies on my own activity, I think there is too much liability with keeping up-to-date on things and thus it apparently cannot be stickied. I originally intended, and still intend, for my thread to be a community effort. If I don't report something particular that you feel should be noted, just tell me and I will put it down.

That said, I am confident I will keep watch over this forum for a long time and that my activity should no longer be something to worry about (having it bookmarked has certainly been helpful lmao) - though I understand the sentiment and my word only goes so far.

However, this was discussed a long time ago and at the time there was a mutual consensus against it for logical reasons... though it appears some thing have changed "The gods envy us. They envy us because we're mortal, because any moment may be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again." - Achilles, Troy

26-Feb-2019 22:31:08

Hazbollah

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WardenOfW42 said :

1 I noticed that people have become more accepting of the high fantasy bits of lore these days. We barely touched necromancy or custom races for example! But these days you have apparently two Asgarnias, one with a vengfull attempt to get back at someone and the other apparently has quite a powerful and unlikely leader. And catgirl vampyres are a thing too now? What happened? Did the lack if players stop people from being picky or did the overal mentality change?

With the guides passing over from writer to writer, who edited it as they went, rules got more lax (e.g invasions - or even just general interaction with anyone 'outside' the ironically public group - open to POK leader's discretion, blacklists for any reason under the sun) as time went on until we got to a point where people think rules essentially don't matter because muh fun n creative freedom . There are so much custom content things in the public sphere I honestly feel the quality has dropped. In 'our' time this kind of thing was fair game in private groups but (I guess also the lowered population/formulation of cliques to replace freelance is also to blame?) now it's basically anywhere.

You don't need fancy gimmicks to tell a story or make a compelling character. If anything, fancy gimmicks are lazy writing 'high fantasy' or not. All these sins disguised as blessings

26-Feb-2019 23:34:35

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