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Dr Atomic1
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Since we have all our accounts under one now, a membership that covers the amount of character you allow would be a nice idea, other mmorpgs do this and i don't see what the issue would be since you now laid the groundwork for it.

16-Apr-2023 15:35:16

SlR
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I like the idea! but I think it'd get abused. Discounts for alts could be interesting though...
The main issues for me would be to do with trade and bank space etc. It'd bypass the limits.

I can just picture people setting up multiple Launcher accounts, putting membership on 1 then maxing out their alt cap. 10x launcher mains + 90 alts to merch members items, etc.
Only logging in to their 90% piggyback alts to get double keys (or any other member-only feature that takes seconds to benefit from) daily vis wax, etc. It could be a can of worms. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

16-Apr-2023 18:08:38 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 10:31:19 by SlR

Rikornak
Oct Member 2013

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You extremely get mixed up what a game account and what the more global company account (don't know a better term for that) is.

Take World of Warcraft as an example - you can have up to 50 characters on one WoW account attached to a battle.net account (which is the setup this game enforces for around 15 years) - the character limit makes perfectly sense in that game, since you have lots of character classes and races in that game - and 50 isn't even closely enough to play any given combination and you'll have to delete one as soon as a new class and/or race is released. And you can't simultaneously play those 50 characters - just one at a time.

Now you can attach up to 8 (possible it's different nowadays, it were 8 when the system was introduced) WoW accounts to a battle.net account - which can be used to play up to 8 characters simultaneously - but you need to pay each and every one of those individually - but that's basically the ability those WoW accounts themselves have, they do not need to be attached to a b.net account for that.

Transfer this to RS - your character is the equivalent of a WoW account (RS basically doesn't differ between a character and a game account - it's basically the same), your Jagex account the one of a Battle.net account. You're basically refering to games that solely run on the game account level (i.e. WoW account or RS character), not a more global system that allows you to attach multiple independent game accounts - or even accounts for different games. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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16-Apr-2023 18:31:29 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2023 18:52:09 by Rikornak

SlR
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SlR

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Rikornak said :
You extremely get mixed up what XYZ is... Eh? lol. I understand just fine... Quit assuming people don't know what 2+2 is. Anyway...

9 accounts for every 1 with members sounds like a leap from our current system.
I don't play WoW, do they have similar issues with bots, gold-selling, merch clans, hoarding and the like? Since we can't get rid of them, I'd rather they be somewhat contained to F2P.

Question, would the 1 membership per 9 'piggyback alts' lift their trade limit too?
- Currently, you cannot trade over 25k to another account if you've never had membs.

PS: I'd love to have free membership for 90% of my accounts!! I just don't see it being good for the game... It'd have a lot of knock-on effects. Discounts would be a safer bet. IMO Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

16-Apr-2023 18:54:11 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 10:58:56 by SlR

SlR
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Double post'a'roonie Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

16-Apr-2023 18:54:11 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2023 18:57:45 by SlR

Rikornak
Oct Member 2013

Rikornak

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WoW has a much more limited f2p component, which disables characters above a certain level until you pay your monthly fee again or in the first place (afaik it's even two-monthly by now as part of their fight against gold farmers or so - haven't played that game for myself for years), the inability to trade at all with non-mutual friends, an extremly restrictive gold cap, and so on, and so on... but yeah you basically could add 7 additional accounts that never were paid for in addition to your main one on the b.net account - with the restrictions an unpaid account comes with.

Gold farming, RWT or things like that are always an issue in online games - unless you can't trade at all in a game - so every game with trade will have some form of shady economy one way or another. But the thing is - that always was thing - battle.net account existing or not - which also only came later (2008 vs. 2004/2005). But it's literally the same system as the Jagex account - it's nothing more than a key ring for individual accounts, which for themselves run under the same rules as they ever did - only that you use your battle.net account credentials and then choose the WoW account you want to play with - again the same with Jagex and potential multiple RS accounts. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

16-Apr-2023 19:39:00 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2023 19:51:19 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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Rikornak

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The only difference is, that you only have one singular character per RS account, since there is no actual ingame reason to have more than one - you can fully experience the game with one eventually - you basically would just need another account if you want to experience one timed things differently - or if you want to play some kind of (different) meme account - albeit that is more a thing in OS, but even then the core experience of the game is fairly similar - only how you approach differs. In WoW your game experience differs heavily from class to class and at least slightly from race to race - and then of course there is a second faction, which gives you a completely different story experience. RS has nothing of that, just because you restrict yourself to unlock tiles every 1000 xp or so...

Going full circle - the only thing actually changed was the B.net account was eventually enforced even for having just one singular WoW account - it's likely the same will happen with RS and Jagex accounts. Of course Blizzard built heavily upon this with the system - first by introducing a launcher for a more convenient login. Said launcher is used to play most of their games nowadays, which also have your game progress in each and every one of those attached to the B.net account. But as for Jagex I am sure it'll remain at being a key ring for multiple accounts and some more convenient way to login. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

16-Apr-2023 19:43:12 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2023 19:47:35 by Rikornak

SlR
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SlR

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Yeah I'm just wondering if the two games are comparable, if this suggestion could work 'as-is' or if RS3 would have to change a lot to accommodate it / there be prerequisites.

I wonder what the knock on effects would be, it seems like a major change that doesn't really benefit the company. It's cheaper membs for alts. I don't think alt farms are good for the game, personally, and anything that benefits them I'm pretty much going to be biased against.

Can you play multiple wow characters (tied to the same account) at the same time? Curious.
https://youtu.be/gSihya8ZyI0 - looked it up. This doesn't seem intentional.

I did a couple of Google searches on the economy of wow, it doesn't look similar to me.

Q: What are the trading restrictions in wow?
A: You can only trade an item to players that were present for the kill, eligible for loot, and within two hours of online time. If the player you want to trade with is not from the same realm, the trade must be completed before leaving the dungeon or raid instance.

Q: Can you transfer items between characters on wow?
A: Unless the items are marked as account-bound, you can only mail items between characters of the same faction, on the same realm. account-bound items can be sent to any character, any faction, any realm.

So... 'account bound' in wow speak would be 'launcher bound' in rs speak, if they were to adopt this approach. If all the 'daily' benefits of having membership were restricted to one character per account, that could work (I think?) but they'd have to change a lot of things.
It seems like a lot of hassle for very little benefit on their side.

Question for OP, would the membership cost stay the same? or have to go up? because, if it stayed the same, surely that'd have a negative effect on the company / less revenue, fewer people buying bonds too which doesn't help inflation, yada yada. If membership price went up (regardless of whether you alt-scape) that'd upset a few people, I think. It has holes... Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

17-Apr-2023 10:30:53 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 11:19:55 by SlR

Rikornak
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What you're refering is when soulbound (i.e. item that can't be given at all to other players under normal circumstances) items are dropped in a party (up to 5 players) or raid group (up to 40 players). This system allows players to exchange things when they're looted by the wrong player (since due to classes a lot of items just can be useless to you, while fulfilling some kind of purpose for somebody else). Before that was introduced, you were forced to contact customer support to exchange things.

When it comes to equipment, that is more than ultra basic stuff it is soulbound in some fashion - quest rewards are always, dungeon and raid drops usually bound on pickup (i.e. the very second something gets in your inventory it's yours until you disenchant or vendor it), sometimes on equip. Bind-to-account is a more rarely used mechanic, which usually is used to give items intended to help levelling or otherwise progressing secondary characters to those (i.e. heirlooms, which are items that scale to your level and basically are good equipment until you reach the level cap at all times, xp potions or things allowing you to more easily catch up new content, so you wouldn't be forced to do the most current grind with a lot of characters). When things bind, they usually do on character level though.

Resources on the other hand are either not bound at all or bound on pickup - significantly more often the former, albeit the latter does exist. Albeit as you said - you can't transfer them to characters on other realm clusters (with the exception of the aforementioned loot exchange, which only would affect soulbound resources) or the other faction (except for using the neutral auction house and just freely tradeable things)

RS either has freely tradeable (which RS has a lot more of things than WoW would), untradeable (i.e. in WoW speak bound on pickup) or untradeable upon being used once (which is rare in RS, but would be the equivalent of bound on equip). Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

17-Apr-2023 11:06:10 - Last edited on 17-Apr-2023 11:28:04 by Rikornak

DoomedCow

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It seems easy to abuse the system, but at the moment you can have your rs3 membership and your oldschool membership with the same sub. would this still be in effect when you linked to a jagex account? and what about one membership covers a normal account and an iron man account, could be a better way of doing it. I have friends who are keen to play group iron man but don't want to have to cover multiple memberships. and even still could you make to procedure to make a jagex account a bit more restricted. like having to properly verify with a form of ID or something, would help against bots. and if you only had to do it once i dont think itd be a major.

21-May-2023 12:54:40

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