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Rensler
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There was real hype in 2015 leading up to the release of Hero's Welcome, we were going to have the chance to meet and align ourselves with a new God, who has returned home after 3 ages.

V, the legendary Fremmenik hero turned God and discoverer of the Stone of Jas, was supposed to have been a breath of fresh air to the Runescape Gods and storyline. Brilliantly written, beautifully designed, potential for more development and involvement in future storylines, and breaking up the monotony of the same repetitive gods: Saradomin, Zaros, Zamorak etc.

Killed off 10 mins into his "Welcome Home" quest. All to emphasize the threat the Dragonkin pose to the gods. Which we have already known this from even back in Missing Presumed Death and past dialogue. This upset a large fan base who had bought into the hype of a new God and were excited for a new player in future storylines.

We have had reworked versions of a few quests, Wolf Whistle, Death Plateau and Druidic Ritual, the purpose of this thread is to promote a rework of this quest without drastically changing the story of the Dragonkin and the buildup to Sliske's Endgame.

The quest be exactly the same with the V's return feast and his powers fleeting, however in this version when the Dragonkin arrive to the island and attack V they are unable to fully absorb all of his energy, due to their lack of understanding how to utilize the Mirror. This creates an argument among the present Dragonkin which creates an opportunity for V to teleport away with the World Guardian.

Takeaways
(Tarshak is still empowered with the energy that was absorbed)
(V loses power and become a Tier 6 Demigod)
(The curse of Jas lessens as the energy absorbed from V was energy he obtained from the Stone of Jas)
( Dragonkin realize they dont have to kill False Users to lessen the curse but siphon the Stones energy from them) this will not lead to followers of Saradomin and Zamorak retaliating.


Continued. Supporter of
Saradomin
Armadyl
Tumeken
V

27-Jan-2022 02:48:20 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2022 02:52:00 by Rensler

Rensler
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(Tarshak still mutates and becomes abomination, Dragonkin must study Mirror further to understand how to use)
(V teleports off world to regain strength and plot revenge on Dragonkin.)
(Dragonkin lair raid and Abomination fight proceeds as normal)
(Division between Dragonkin remains fight ensues)

Conclusion
The Dragonkin have elder artefacts capable of draining or killing a god. Still a threat
This is considered a "Win" in Sliskes game still granting them an invite to Endgame.
V does not take part in Endgame. Will return to Gielinor upon next Fremmenik Quest.
The quest will end as normal with Freya and Alfric still being in contact with V off world regaining strength. ( why he is absent during DT and DM)

V is treated as Tumeken is, still around and needs to be brought into the main conflict but not currently involved in the Elder God Threat.

Pros
-V is still alive and able to be expanded on as a character and God.
-His Faction is relevant, can be joined by some Godless (maybe they merge under one banner with a similar goal.) Also picks up some Bandosians and Guthixians.
- Fremmenik people and Moon Clan unite as they have their God/Leader back.
- He can be brought into the current Elder God Threat with a role.
- Our connection to the other Hero Gods.
- Could tell more of what he knows on outer gods, ie. Xau Tak or Queen of Ashes.
- Could further the Dragonkin storyline possibly ally with other "False Users"
- Potential for Anything
- Possibilities Everywhere

- If these are a bit too ambitious he could just be a God with a little or no role like Marimbo.

Cons
-None Supporter of
Saradomin
Armadyl
Tumeken
V

27-Jan-2022 03:05:12 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2022 03:58:56 by Rensler

Vengeance of
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No support. Sliske would never have accepted merely weakening V as a "kill" for his psychotic game. Without that, the Dragonkin never get invited to Endgame, never destroy the Stone of Jas, and everything that's happened since could never have happened. They're not going to rewrite six years worth of plot just to revive one character.

While it was a huge waste for them to introduce V only to kill him off so soon after, bringing him back is clearly not in the cards. Perhaps we'll get to explore more of V's character through flashbacks in future quests (we've done it plenty of times with Guthix over the past few years), or maybe Thok could get exposed to enough of V's residual anima to ascend and take his place. But V himself is gone, and he's not coming back.

27-Jan-2022 23:04:43

Rensler
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Vengeance of said :
No support. Sliske would never have accepted merely weakening V as a "kill" for his psychotic game. Without that, the Dragonkin never get invited to Endgame, never destroy the Stone of Jas, and everything that's happened since could never have happened. They're not going to rewrite six years worth of plot just to revive one character.

While it was a huge waste for them to introduce V only to kill him off so soon after, bringing him back is clearly not in the cards. Perhaps we'll get to explore more of V's character through flashbacks in future quests (we've done it plenty of times with Guthix over the past few years), or maybe Thok could get exposed to enough of V's residual anima to ascend and take his place. But V himself is gone, and he's not coming back.

Who says the Dragonkin "need" an invite to Endgame, they are able to pinpoint the location of false users, why would they show up to take part in Sliske's game?

Saradomin got 1 point in Sliskes game for "beating" Zamorak, who was also weakend in the BOL, Marimbo and Zamorak also got invited with negative points on the board. Every God was invited to endgame minus Tumeken. Even Icthlarin is invited if Death kills Gielinor. V could easily be absent for Endgame.

Technically only 4 people should have been invited, Armadyl, Seren, Vorago and Icthlarin/Death. Nobody else should have been there. Vorago may as well had not even been there.

My proposal on how to keep him alive and relevant is one small change in the quest without really changing the main story drastically. Which was to further the Dragonkin plot and the danger the pose with elder artefacts, which can be done without killing a God at least not in his debut quest after so much hype. Supporter of
Saradomin
Armadyl
Tumeken
V

27-Jan-2022 23:39:59 - Last edited on 28-Jan-2022 07:40:09 by Rensler

Draco Burnz
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Vengeance of said :
No support. Sliske would never have accepted merely weakening V as a "kill" for his psychotic game. Without that, the Dragonkin never get invited to Endgame, never destroy the Stone of Jas, and everything that's happened since could never have happened. They're not going to rewrite six years worth of plot just to revive one character.

While it was a huge waste for them to introduce V only to kill him off so soon after, bringing him back is clearly not in the cards. Perhaps we'll get to explore more of V's character through flashbacks in future quests (we've done it plenty of times with Guthix over the past few years), or maybe Thok could get exposed to enough of V's residual anima to ascend and take his place. But V himself is gone, and he's not coming back.

+1

No support.

If V can return, then so can bandos and guthix.

Thus making all their deaths meaningless.
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29-Jan-2022 00:37:30

Rensler
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"Reviving a God" isnt the purpose of this thread and Jagex has bended the rules and made retcons in the game quite often, Although I dont see any negativity in a God coming back, if anything divine beings should be easier to revive than a mere mortal. If the Gods death had a massive purpose and was executed properly then I see no problem in it, such as Guthix, as much as we all disliked the decision.

Bandos being killed had no real purpose, it killed the faction, and It gave Armadyl a kill, but EVERY god was invited to endgame that was alive regardless of if they killed a god or not, so I don't understand why it happened other than to "finish" Bandos's story.


The reason for this thread is to propose a way to retcon the original quest, not bring back a dead god from existing lore. As it says a REWORK which keeps the purpose of Hero's Welcome without wasting the character of V, who was really hyped and has incredible potential to the story and the player base wanted more of. Supporter of
Saradomin
Armadyl
Tumeken
V

29-Jan-2022 09:07:44 - Last edited on 29-Jan-2022 09:14:04 by Rensler

Draco Burnz
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Yet by reworking the quest, you are wanting V to be revived as you're dont like how fast he died.

Plus you never said he dies in your version thus going against what became after his death.

Thus still in line with the topic.

So if V can be revived it just opens a can of worms that doesnt need to be opened.

Guthix had to die for the gods to return otherwise theyd still be banished.
Draco Burnz
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29-Jan-2022 10:57:27

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