RuneScape Forum Archive | Price-range list in PC-threads

Mar

2013

LovveL

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Hey guys I would like to know what anyone in here thinks of the idea of someone inside one of the PC-threads making their own price-range lists?

Please do not discuss the PC-threads themselves in here.

If you don't like price-range lists can you explain why?
If you do like price-range lists can you explain why?

Personally I do not mind the idea of someone compiling a list if asked for it or if done 100% (NOT 99.99%) objectively and using common sense and adding ALL prices regardless of personal collection. If doing this and someone's questioning your range, the person making the list SHOULD HAVE to provide the trade "evidence" to knock away all doubt.
I also don't like the idea of someone taking some kind of ownership over a thread and then calling mods whenever someone calls them out. Calling out should always be allowed if the list is allowed - in a proper tone of course!

Please be constructive and please no discussing PC-threads themselves here as that is not what this thread's about. Rank #56 Overall. 8000/1****? Hard caskets stacked. 7000/8****? Elite caskets stacked.
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07-Sep-2021 15:55:54

B o

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I don't mind price range lists, as they can help give a rough idea of where an item has been trading at recently, and it's useful for items that you don't know well. I also agree that price ranges should be conducted in a way that is fair/ objective since they may be prone to personal biases.

I feel a potential problem of listing a price range based on recent trades is that by nature, not all trades are reported in public. As a result, this might create potentially skewed or misleading ranges. I'm not sure if there is a 'solution' to this, apart from more players posting trades for more data-points on trades.

I do think that players should definitely use their own judgment and come to their own conclusion about what price an item is at rather than blindly relying on price checks/ price ranges - so that might include things such as looking at past trades to get an idea of prices and how often the item is traded, speaking to friends who may know the item better, looking at historical trends, or simply checking on W2 to see how easy or hard an item is to buy/sell etc. stuff like that.

07-Sep-2021 17:11:47 - Last edited on 07-Sep-2021 17:25:10 by B o

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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i dont mind the lists either, as long as they are truthful from what theyve seen then, its just an easier way to get an idea of getting useful information on the prices. it just comes down to trust. and obviously down to the player to trust it or not trust it, using common sense i guess.

but the more compiled lists can be a good way to see actual price (again if they are truthful)
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07-Sep-2021 23:46:42

May

2007

J R Kerr

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okay the prob is that mod timbo is the only guy who can adjust ge values, and what we get from ge is super super limited. if we could use GE like we use ebay, and see a history of completed sales, then we would not need the price check threads. like... at all.

the problem is that its very very borderline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

and there was a thread called "fix price check threads" that got traction in many ways because he used the word "fix" meaning repair, and what needs to get repaired is the GE itself, but idk if timbo gets people, money, and time to make that happen.

so the price check threads... kinda a band aid til then. I mean... scrapes do hurt worse with no band aid, so... in lots of ways its better than nothing, but read for yourself what the problem is with price fixing and why its so illegal in every country.

best answer: its complicated.

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08-Sep-2021 23:06:17

Jan

2003

Tuffty

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Greetings.

For years the ID section has had people within the Community doing Guide Prices which upto now has helped out the Community keep upto date with recent trades etc.

For Me personally I like them if they are fair and true and margins not too far apart. If someone takes the time to search through the forums for trades and puts them all in 1 or 2 posts so the Community can read and follow then it's got to be good as it gives us all a place to see the recent trades. If too many do them then it gets messy. I've seen upto 8-10+ people doing them and none are the same so some were fake and suspect. These I don't think are needed.

What I don't get and again from a personal prospective I dislike a Mr or Miss Nobody making a PC post who have never used or very rarely use the forums who comes along and posts some very suspect guides thats so out the window they can be seen as fake. They are the prices that I personaly think as a player of RS that the F-Mods should be hiding. These cause the most issues within the ID section and the most trolling/flaming of others. Now saying that how can F-Mods prove they are fake?.

Just spit balling an idea here. One way to address this is someone within the Community is voted for who is the only 1 who can make the Guide Prices and stick to that and hide the others. This person needs to be 100% honest and not biased in anyway. Tricky really to just pick 1 person as a lot of people will relay on him or her for upto date prices.

Another way is to have 3-5 people voted for thats willing to make the posts. Saves all the pressure on 1 person and then the Community can make up their own mind who to follow or believe. It's just an idea from me as a Player and not as a F-Mod as I do not speak for Jagex or the F-Mod team.

Another issue is trades themselves. If they do not come with a Picture they should not count. No pic no proof.

I don't mind the anonymous trades as long as they come with a picture.

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09-Sep-2021 09:54:40

Oct

2017

Raphtalia6

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a vote for pcers would be really nice and that would make the community decide who to appoint to it.

I do recommend that every 6-12 months or so a new vote will take place so people can reevaluate their choice and pick either the same pcer or another pcer, a bit like choosing the president for your country, just a bit simpler so everyone can understand it.

Personally i like pc lists because thanks to that list i can retrace trades that help me decide the price to pay for an item. trusting certain pc lists or prices of items or websites that dont belong to jagex will get you into trouble notice: external websites and trades are your responsibility, dont get fooled!.

09-Sep-2021 11:55:49

Mar

2013

LovveL

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B o said :
I feel a potential problem of listing a price range based on recent trades is that by nature, not all trades are reported in public. As a result, this might create potentially skewed or misleading ranges. I'm not sure if there is a 'solution' to this, apart from more players posting trades for more data-points on trades.
That is true and I agree - but at the same time trade reports are not factual statement and rather a guideline, which I'm sure we all already know, and like you stated later in your post everyone should do research before making a purchase.
Personally I will never use the lists for checking a price I would always look for the last few reported trades.

I also agree on what most seem to agree on that a list compiled should always be truthful. But how do we get to that point? What requirement should be met in order to get there? Rank #56 Overall. 8000/1****? Hard caskets stacked. 7000/8****? Elite caskets stacked.
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09-Sep-2021 14:38:57

Mar

2013

LovveL

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@Tuffty (Post too long to to quote)
I very much agree on the first part and these people were the first ones catching my attention on this issue although I don't really think I ever saw them getting their posts hidden - only the ones calling them out. Unless we're not thinking about the same person(s).

I like the idea of a vote but then again I don't like the idea of a vote. I think a vote for a person (who also wants to do it, of course) would be fitting if this was ONE community, but that's not how I feel about this place. To me it feels like a community split into several communities and if a vote was to happen each community would vote for their own guy and it would get biased. No one knows, but that's just my guess.
I would say, though, that it's become better and there's less of them, but at the same time there are soooo many alts posting here that you just simply never know!

I feel like being a "pcer" (as they call it) should come with responsibility if you're doing it here on the forums. Everything added to the list should only be verified trades WITH pictures that are valid and IF a "pcer" is caught being subjective or what else they should lose their status to be allowed to post them. Rank #56 Overall. 8000/1****? Hard caskets stacked. 7000/8****? Elite caskets stacked.
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09-Sep-2021 14:52:17 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2021 14:52:46 by LovveL

Mar

2013

LovveL

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Also another reason I made this thread was to see if people actually liked those price-range lists and really didn't want them go and the reason I'm wondering this is I feel like they always claim that people are telling them in private how much they appreciate their lists but I have yet to see people, that I didn't suspect being alt accounts, show their appreciation towards price-range lists. Rank #56 Overall. 8000/1****? Hard caskets stacked. 7000/8****? Elite caskets stacked.
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09-Sep-2021 14:58:22

Profz

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Regarding discontinued items I don't think they have a use anymore. The amount of players trading rares has gone way down and most people reporting prices are merchers.
Imo there aren't enough trades to justify the ranges and the few people willing to report them most likely do it for their own benefit.

09-Sep-2021 16:53:57

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