RuneScape Forum Archive | Golden Phat supply and bots.

Legendery

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The purpose of this thread is to shine a light on an ongoing issue of bots and jagexs true intentions with this upcoming in-game item.

I have many issues with this upcoming golden phat gimmick but I'll leave that for the rant section.

I am here to discuss an alternative to ensure bots do not benefit from this update.

I purpose an idea to change the way Jagex releases the golden phat. Currently, as we all know players with 8 shards will be able to create a golden phat, cool. However, it doesn't take a genius to realize that people will take advantage of this update as a means to rwt, by creating bots and writing scripts to ensure each account is eligible and able to create a golden phat to later sell and rwt.

In 2021 this is extremely easy to do, You can create a script to create new runescape accounts and you can run scripts to do exactly what is needed to create the golden phat. I believe Jagex is intelligent enough to know this. So why would Jagex not take extra precautions to prevent this from happening? Well, I believe this is a part of Jagex's plan. Think about it. Jagex knows this update will encourage "users/farms" to create new accounts and obtain memberships in order to benefit from this update. This allows Jagex to boost membership sales significantly along with account creation, both of which is purely an unethical business move.

My suggestion is to create a max supply of golden Phats and make it so it is randomly received during skilling or via a raffle system. If you're going to introduce a new rare you might as well do it properly.

I purpose a Max supply of golden phats based on the current circulation of phats ( Phats current held by active users based on 2021) x (XXX amount). This will ensure Jagex does not benefit from ruining classic discontinued items by creating a new motive for people to farm for the sake increase membership sales and account creation.

14-Nov-2021 08:11:45 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2021 08:19:48 by Legendery

Legendery

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If you support this idea please make it heard, spread this message so Jagex cannot ignore and pretend they didn't know the aftermath of this update.

People will take advantage of this content and RWT will benefit from this along with Jagex. The real losers as always will be us, the players.

Another method to ensure this isn't abused is to make it so new accounts are not eligible for this content or perhaps offer them this content but with an untradable version, so that "genuine new players" arent affected by this.

14-Nov-2021 08:14:06 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2021 08:15:42 by Legendery

Nov

2020

SlR

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It'd be good to have a minimum level cap, like they did with 'Leonard’s Lucky Dip' (250). However, after watching the re-run of the Twitch stream, it looks like it'll take hours to get. The new quest looks like it'll be a medium/long one, plus all the other hoops you have to jump through to get it. I don't think we've got anything to worry about!

If people want to farm these p-hats with bonds on alts then more gold leaves the game. Bob says:

A bank PIN will keep your items secure.

Always check the second trade screen.

Never trade in the Wilderness!

Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.

Never give your password out to anyone.

14-Nov-2021 10:58:18 - Last edited on 19-Nov-2021 13:07:41 by SlR

Oct

2014

Mini JIT

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I think its fine as it is and no where near as easy as you making it out to be. Most of the rs3 bots are only for gathering skills, not really for combat, support or production apart from the odd cannonball smithers. Rest of the shards come from VIP, 30m gp, clues, reaper, yak trak and quest which are not really botable.

With the amount of cosmetics rs3 already has and the low number of new players I doubt the gold hat will be worth that much few years down the line anyway and lower than something like fish mask is today.

You might see old alt accounts go active again over xmas but not really bots.

14-Nov-2021 16:06:18

Legendery

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Mini JIT said :
I think its fine as it is and no where near as easy as you making it out to be. Most of the rs3 bots are only for gathering skills, not really for combat, support or production apart from the odd cannonball smithers. Rest of the shards come from VIP, 30m gp, clues, reaper, yak trak and quest which are not really botable.

With the amount of cosmetics rs3 already has and the low number of new players I doubt the gold hat will be worth that much few years down the line anyway and lower than something like fish mask is today.

You might see old alt accounts go active again over xmas but not really bots.

Everything is bot'able even major bosses you think that arent, questing, reaper, clues etc have long been botted. Which is why I made this post because I know bots are very capable of doing all 11 steps that is required for the golden phat. Check sir pugger videos on youtube, he's a well-known bot buster and you will be surprised what these bots a capable of. I do not condone the use of bots, its always been a major issue of this game since day 1.

It is the very reason why I made this post.

16-Nov-2021 05:28:06 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2021 05:29:51 by Legendery

Mar

2015

Foxxie

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Zero support for making it a limited supply or raffling it off.
Maybe make it time gated so only accounts with 48 hours gameplay/created before the livestream/total level 750/etc can make it, but give EVERYONE who wants one an opportunity to get one.

16-Nov-2021 08:33:58 - Last edited on 16-Nov-2021 08:34:26 by Foxxie

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Bots will not be a big concern when we need multiple skills and bots are rarely programmed to do so many different things without being detected in RS3.

Besides, membership is required just to participate and each one get to craft just 1 Golden Party Hat anyway.

16-Nov-2021 15:48:41

Dec

2005

Killashandra

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So do you think that someone would be able to buy a month of membership and get the party hat?

You only need 8 shards, you could get at least 2 by visiting the Wise Old Man and by giving the new accounts 30m each from your main. Then they just can grind a bit for at least 5 more (training skills and yak track), that just leaves one that might be harder to get. I don't know how hard it will be for a new account to complete the quest.

So, for a bit of rl money, someone could accumulate quite a few of the new phats.

Or perhaps Jagex are putting something in place to prevent that?

Any thoughts?

17-Nov-2021 01:08:25

Mar

2015

Foxxie

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Killashandra said :
So do you think that someone would be able to buy a month of membership and get the party hat?

You only need 8 shards, you could get at least 2 by visiting the Wise Old Man and by giving the new accounts 30m each from your main. Then they just can grind a bit for at least 5 more (training skills and yak track), that just leaves one that might be harder to get. I don't know how hard it will be for a new account to complete the quest.

So, for a bit of rl money, someone could accumulate quite a few of the new phats.

Or perhaps Jagex are putting something in place to prevent that?

Any thoughts?

Realistically, anyone could obtain any amount of them they wanted to since they're tradable.

Remember, these things are 100% free. They're not some super-rare 60b gp item. The one-per-account limits things sure, but it's still similar to a casual at a boss. Do rax for a week or so, get a scythe, move on. That's essentially "one per account".

I think with all this in mind, it'll be more of a merch item than a bot item.

17-Nov-2021 03:31:29

Feb

2014

Eng1neerd

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Support and don't know about bots, but I really doubt there's gonna be in supply as many as people claim to be. Realistically most players are kids and don't even want to spend $10 on the game let alone $50+.

It costs 1 bond for membership and another bond cost for 30M GP if you're dishing out that much for the shard. I really doubt the average person is gonna make more than 1 alts MAX. Also there's also new players who don't read the news or care about the gold phat at all or just don't have time for video games to get all 8 shards. ALSO remember alot of people will just get ONE gphat and keepsake it, which means it's already NFS or no longer in the market. The number of ACTIVE phats will definitely be less than the active player base.

17-Nov-2021 05:14:01 - Last edited on 17-Nov-2021 05:18:49 by Eng1neerd

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