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Aug

2023

LoveYouMore

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I'll admit that I hopped on the hate train super quick, but after a week I realized it wasn't that bad. If you look at other MMOS that just give you max level, you still have to earn it through FSW. Also today they changed a bunch for the better, so no need to touch on some of the bits that others were worried about.
I was 90% on board, now I'm 95% on board. I was thinking about the famous players, or people running 2-100 alts. Before, with having to buy membership with real money, it would keep having extra alts to more of a minimum. Now we're free to power level one account with multiple a little easier. With the famous players, they got people behind them that could help.
I'm wondering if, at least during the competitive phase, actually, only during the competitive phase, if there could be a trade limit. Maybe GE only? So we all fight for resources. Or do what was done a handful of years ago. I think it was...You would have to have more quest points or a certain amount to be able to trade. Of course you could alter it differently. I'd just like to see the competitive phase as fair as possible. I mean sure you can throw 20 alts at the same resource so no one grabs it, but trading is the main thing.
Overall this is exciting, and I think a pretty decent idea for getting more people to play. I think it's pretty fair. I just hope there's a trade limit of sorts during the first 8 weeks. I doubt it, but figured I'd put in my 2GP. Have a nice day.
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25-Aug-2022 19:51:45

Mar

2014

Jazz X

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I disagree. Since we are talking about a 4 month period for Fresh Start the nerf to 1.5x starting exp is a crushing blow. So is the loss of the Pet boon.

I blame all those who complained about Fresh Start. What level someone else is in game has no bearing on you and is none of your business. It's simply spite and envy to be concerned about anyone else progress in relation to yours.

If you wanted to pay to level up faster (in a Fresh Start world) I'm all for that since it doesn't affect anyone but you. If you didn't want to pay that, no worries, play the regular RS in your own way. Because at the end of the day what level you are doesn't effect me in any way. But it's a real **** move to complain about it an ruin it for others.

But thanks to people complaining we now start with a 1.5x exp rate making my goal of even getting all the 99 capes, let alone 120s nearly impossible.

So thanks, I'm not even sure I want to try now.

25-Aug-2022 20:22:25

Jun

2021

Squirrlee

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I actually feel better about the FSW now it was very OP and needed to be toned down. Now that Bonds can buy you in, we will see more Current players join also. I'm waiting to see the XP ebb and flow change to see if it's as dramatic of a change as stated above.

27-Aug-2022 07:05:31

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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I am neutral on the xp rates front as we don't really need max or even near max skills for most endgame content. Actual knowledge of the content is far more important than levels. Rest assured, there are still some players aiming for the Hiscores and such, but the majority of the players, especially new ones probably don't care about maxing ASAP when they can do most bosses in T80, if not T70 gear, or even no gear in the case of Croesus.

The big thumb up is the accessibility of FSW with Bonds. It is a very good mid-point that new and returning players and existing players should be happy to see.

27-Aug-2022 16:57:21

Aug

2023

LoveYouMore

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I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding but I apologize either way. I agree. I wasn't even sure what the exp rates to start with were, it was pretty unclear. All I knew was peak of 3x, 4x for under 70.

I also want to get all the capes as well and now I'm wondering how difficult it'll be. If at all possible. May have to no life.

I really don't understand why the pet boon is gone when these are unique pets for only 4 months. If any boon should stay it should be that one. I can understand the instant level one being removed I guess. But it's for only one skill, so who cares.

I personally never complained about the fresh start, my clan and I were excited. There was just maybe one or two things, which I don't think you were directing that towards me but figured I'd say that. I was definitely in the mostly pro for it. It's not going to be perfect and impossible to please everyone 100%.

I'm all for people spending thousands of dollars/currency to level, supports the game which more than likely needs it, just after the competition phase. Again, it is dumb we have lower exp rate now, but better than 0 exp rate I guess, and I agree whoever complained about exp rates, big poopy. It's only 4 months, still gotta put the time in to get the levels etc. It's the competition I'm emphasizing though. I prefer a fair competition. No fame, privilege, real world cash, or 2-100+ alts. Just sweat and tears.

Pretty sure we agree 95% on things. Unless I misunderstand again. Enjoy yourself! Have a nice day.
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30-Aug-2022 06:58:15

LeglessLemon

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After the xp nerf Im probably no longer interested. Im not playing rs currently, and loved the idea of getting back to the game especially with the fresh economy, but 1.5xp is simply not enough to start from 0. Maybe if youd play 10hours a day it would be.

30-Aug-2022 11:26:51

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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LeglessLemon said :
After the xp nerf Im probably no longer interested. Im not playing rs currently, and loved the idea of getting back to the game especially with the fresh economy, but 1.5xp is simply not enough to start from 0. Maybe if youd play 10hours a day it would be.

It is 1.5x xp for the first 3 weeks, and then it will be gradually increased the following weeks. Besides, rates are also increased xp rate to skill below level 70,

I think this is essentially a good thing for new players to catch up with the 21 years of content of the main game as advertised, and Jagex actually want FSW players to go move to RS3 permanently as long as they have learned the rope and felt comfortable they are competent as soon as they hit level 70 and perhaps obtained most of the cosmetics rewards. They don't seem to encourage new players to grind their hardest to max everything in FSW.

30-Aug-2022 15:25:06

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Competitive phase should be reasonable, at least in the earlier weeks, because of the feedback-inspired change to reduce the amount of Bonds a player could obtain each week to one.

What that change does for the competition is almost ideal, and could even be passable when combined with the fact that GP is going to be much more difficult to come by than in the main game, and Grand Exchange prices may be considerably wonky in the early going.

Is it the best it can be for the sake of competition? I'm not sure - but it's a significant improvement on that front and takes into account the fact that people may want to use Bonds for cosmetic overrides or additional membership to stay able to participate instead of anything that would prove advantageous or sell for GP.

I think the xp curve was fine, and didn't think much of the complaining was aimed at that aspect of the event. Those that were complaining seemed to be gatekeeping a bit too hard to me, especially when things like getting Treasure Hunter keys in the accomplishment phase is supposed to be evocative of the experience of receiving daily keys in the main game. You could use better xp rates to be evocative of Double XP weekend or the effects of a Knowledge Bomb.

Now, where I think the gatekeeping was justified was actually the pet boon - and there seems to be some misinformation about Fresh Start World pets because participants also get a halo skin for said pets - it's not just a skin...

In a Fresh Start World, if a player were to obtain the Boon of the Skilling Pets, their chances of obtaining a skilling pet effectively double (increasing a chance by 100% has a doubling effect.) - which means that the player unlocks the pet twice as often when skilling during the game mode versus a player in the main game.

When the event concludes, the Fresh Start World account has the pet if they earned one, a skin for said pet, -and- a token for the halo skin to trade to a main. That was genuinely unfair.

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31-Aug-2022 06:26:14 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2022 06:40:59 by H 1 L D A

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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H 1 L D A said :

Now, where I think the gatekeeping was justified was actually the pet boon - and there seems to be some misinformation about Fresh Start World pets because participants also get a halo skin for said pets - it's not just a skin...

In a Fresh Start World, if a player were to obtain the Boon of the Skilling Pets, their chances of obtaining a skilling pet effectively double (increasing a chance by 100% has a doubling effect.) - which means that the player unlocks the pet twice as often when skilling during the game mode versus a player in the main game.

A pet is a skin. A pet's halo is a different skin. We have Felix the pet skin and he also has an array of Meowsketeer's skin. We have this in the main game already and they came from TH too, Why is it a problem we have similar things from FSH? It is not new for a fact, and they don't come from TH which some players don't like for another fact.

31-Aug-2022 18:59:07

Apr

2020

H 1 L D A

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Having a skin for a pet isn't the problem, Dilbert.

The problem is that the pet itself could be earned at twice the odds when purchasing the boon, and the point of explaining what the reward was to others in this thread was to help them understand that yes - it was the literal pet itself they could earn with better odds and not "just a skin" for said pet.

If a player earns a pet in Fresh Start Worlds, that pet rolls over into the main game with them because they've earned it.

If that pet is displayed after the event's conclusion, a player who is sitting at nearly 200m xp without the pet probably should -rightfully- feel like they were cheated because they didn't happen to play during a Fresh Start period, and on the other hand, a Fresh Start account might have their achievement of earning the pet at twice the odds belittled by the community when they roll over.

Getting rid of the Skilling Pets boon prevents both of those issues from rising up. Now - if you earn a pet in Fresh Start Worlds, you do so at the same odds someone would earn a pet in the main game and there isn't any room for hurt feelings - especially now that the halo skin is (probably? this is one of those grey area rewards) going to be offered in RS3 through other means.

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31-Aug-2022 20:36:56

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