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H 1 L D A
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@Squirrlee

Please explain to me how the account being merged into the main game at the end of the event is relevant to requiring a subscription -or- how said merge makes it pointless to want to experience a reset economy during the duration of the event. This doesn't seem to bother the Old School team, as their take on this event is available to Free players. It's also worth mentioning here the one doesn't need a membership to play vanilla RS3, and that if Fresh Start Worlds had F2P worlds with the appropriate restrictions a F2P FSW wouldn't cause any issue with carrying over items that would then be barred by the paywall or result in players being stuck in members-areas.

@Dilbert

I'll admit DarthChosen's post probably maybe needed additional context - but my stab at what he meant was probably more along the lines of "I'm f2p and I would love to experience playing RuneScape in a launch-day situation with a -reset- economy."

I don't think he was talking about the F2P economy in the main game.

(he used "we" but he's also a member so I don't know - maybe its the -additional- subscription that seems to be discouraging him for participating.)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Darth. :)
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28-Aug-2022 22:13:07 - Last edited on 28-Aug-2022 22:14:46 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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H 1 L D A said :


@Dilbert

I'll admit DarthChosen's post probably maybe needed additional context - but my stab at what he meant was probably more along the lines of "I'm f2p and I would love to experience playing RuneScape in a launch-day situation with a -reset- economy."

I don't think he was talking about the F2P economy in the main game.

(he used "we" but he's also a member so I don't know - maybe its the -additional- subscription that seems to be discouraging him for participating.)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Darth. :)

Darkscape was a pvp game. It didn't really have much an economy when players were getting what they needed to combat the others in an open world, instead of farming resources for trading. Besides, remember, Darksscape was Legacy Mode only and RS3's Legacy Mode only free players are almost non-existent. At this moment, there are a "whooping" 80 players on F2P Legacy Only worlds. It is almost a "big" NOTHING.

29-Aug-2022 15:49:35 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2022 16:07:28 by Dilbert2001

slayer batou
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you should be able to use your current account that's posting to this forum. Its not right that we have to create all new characters.

And its a huge slap in the face to those of us that have played and supported this game throughout the years

30-Aug-2022 20:25:24

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slayer batou said :
you should be able to use your current account that's posting to this forum. Its not right that we have to create all new characters.

And its a huge slap in the face to those of us that have played and supported this game throughout the years

Mod Kieran talked about the technical problems. That should answer your question why we need a new account to play FSW in RS3 and OSRS:

"After all, if you already have a main account saved, we would need to introduce a much more complex - long development cost - to create a proper character selection system because you'd have two main accounts. That is not something we can reasonably do.


We're not trying to get people to double dip here. The point I'm trying to make is that this is about people coming back and joining the game for the first time. Inevitably, some of you are probably going to be interested in wanting to play this and enjoy the experience, but genuinely this is about new people coming to the game and people returning after a long time.


We don't have a strong technical solution to allow you to choose between multiple accounts on main. The way it works for Leagues is quite different; that's not trying to play in the same game mode."

30-Aug-2022 21:07:38

Dilbert2001
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Thom Rhodes said :
The real reason is that they can then justify making old customer pay double their membership. Money grabbing.

Again, technically I think it is not impossible for them to let us use the same account to play FSW as they probably can implement FSW like Dimension of Disaster where FSW exist in an alternate universe. However, it will be harder technically. It is the same case with Ironman and GIM modes too, We need a new account and pay a different membership for IM and GIM where applicable too. Money grabbing? Probably that's their idea too, but given GIM, it is not the first time Jagex doing it to us.

17-Sep-2022 15:44:04

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The problem is that Jagex still hasn't supported PVP at all, and or community minigames.

Here they are, now advertising a FRESH START version of the game for current players and possible new players, yet they still have not come close to creating a balanced RS3 content game.............


This has $$$$$$$ surrounded all around it, massive failure for this company and game. Selling out.




For the haters, PVP is not in the game because Jagex doesn't support it, not because players don't want it. Go look at your small player base btw.
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17-Sep-2022 22:59:43 - Last edited on 17-Sep-2022 23:00:04 by PvPMatter

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I'm pretty sure the reason F2P isn't an option here is entirely due to the competitive side of it (as the FAQ states). A player being able to play this mode as a Free player in itself is fine. It purely puts them at a disadvantage in this regard. However, allowing free accounts then allows someone to gather resources on multiple accounts at once and pool them into one, giving them an advantage for the competitive race aspect of the mode. (Of course, you can also do that with member accounts, but it's going to cost you much more, either with in-game money or real-world money.)

This is also why Old School can provide this mode to Free to Play. It has no competitive aspect or rewards.

On another note, being limited to P2P probably also significantly decreases the number of suicide bots that could potentially damage the brand-new economy, which I suspect is also something they want to avoid (I'd imagine part of why these are a thing, aside from potentially attracting new or lapsed players, is to see what effect certain things have on the economy when there isn't already a large established pool of stuff floating around.)

Either way, I expect if this game mode works out for them, it will be tweaked the next time they implement it. Who knows, maybe they'll allow Free accounts in the future (perhaps with trade restrictions or something to limit their impact).

19-Sep-2022 14:58:11 - Last edited on 19-Sep-2022 15:01:08 by D Charizard

slayer batou
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as a someone whose played for damn near 20 years, I would like to think I am just as important as new players, if not more important because i've already paid for services. The fact regular accts were excluded really grinds my gears. I want to invert a few of my capes....but can't because I wasn't apart of the special group jag wanted money from. i'm still mad.

07-Aug-2023 00:25:51

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