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DefqonDude
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Like a majorty of the current players, I am conflicted by the upcoming FSW update. I'm not actually that concerned about the flood of players nor the items they bring along when it ends in 4 months. I am not them, I do not care if they had a jump start where the "OG's" had to grind for their 99's. I'm also quite certain that even if it would dent the economy, it will straighten out pretty quick. BUT, I do care about the rewards they bring.

As a casual I generally don't look to close at most of the updates. Sure I have my opinion on most of them but they are trivial and the updates do not affect my irl coinpouch. I generally like hanging around just progressing on my own terms and time and collecting cosmetics along the way.

The keen observer already knows what I'm conflicted about by now:
I would love to go to FSW, just checking it out and collect the cosmetics. Challenging myself to a certain extend and see how far I can get. I do not like the aspect where I have to pay for it... It feels very much like; "Please click here to pay for getting cosmetics you cannot get otherwise."

Yes, I'm aware they're tradeable but we all know that the prices will be so high that a casual like me could not afford them. And yes, also Solomon Store has cosmetics against payment but I hope you get the gist.

Just wanted to share my thoughts and confliction. I am curious for your thoughts. I do believe it will be a fun time and I don't have a proper alt account yet so there are benefits for sure. But man... the way they approached this and the money I'd have to spend for another account, is just so messed up. Dutch Infinity and beyond

18-Aug-2022 10:44:20 - Last edited on 18-Aug-2022 11:05:10 by DefqonDude

Mr Rey Ray
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Yeah I don't know why people are mad, it's not for existing players, it's to try and get some new players into the game.

Lets face it, 99's are not as prestigious as they once were, if people could get 5.6 in 4months, then I would not agree.
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18-Aug-2022 13:41:33

Dilbert2001
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I am pretty sure you can afford to buy the FSW cosmetics, perhaps except the ultra rares ones only available to the top 100 skillers or World First record holders, in the main game later, especially you are maxed except Dungeoneering.

Even if you really can't afford them, I don't see the problem as they are just cosmetics, and not just you but 99.999999999999999% of the players can't afford discontinued rares like party hats. Yet nobody is "torn by party hats" they can't afford.

18-Aug-2022 16:48:13

Pachuli714
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Mr Rey Ray said :
Yeah I don't know why people are mad, it's not for existing players, it's to try and get some new players into the game.

Lets face it, 99's are not as prestigious as they once were, if people could get 5.6 in 4months, then I would not agree.

Only it's not really meant for new players at all. Jagex's stance is that it's meant for returning players which is also not true.

New players would be even more confused and lost by rapid leveling in a game with such a poorly designed early game as this one. Just the tutorial is enough to lose most new players.

And returning players want to resurrect their old accounts. None of them would welcome the idea of starting over from scratch, not even with the promise of rare cosmetics, competing for some leaderboards that would be meaningless in comparison with the main game and rapid leveling if it meant tossing out their old accounts which they had worked hard to level for literally years.

No, FSW is meant for alt runners. It's tailor made for them. It's exactly what they've already been doing but now it would be at Jagex's expense. They'd be rewarded with rapid leveling and tons of rare items they'd later be able to trade or sell for a killing. All the very best of enticements for players who already are running plenty of alts. To them, it would be nothing to run a few more so they could capitalize on those rares.

18-Aug-2022 18:31:43

Dilbert2001
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Pachuli714 said :
Mr Rey Ray said :
Yeah I don't know why people are mad, it's not for existing players, it's to try and get some new players into the game.

Lets face it, 99's are not as prestigious as they once were, if people could get 5.6 in 4months, then I would not agree.

Only it's not really meant for new players at all. Jagex's stance is that it's meant for returning players which is also not true.

New players would be even more confused and lost by rapid leveling in a game with such a poorly designed early game as this one. Just the tutorial is enough to lose most new players.

And returning players want to resurrect their old accounts. None of them would welcome the idea of starting over from scratch, not even with the promise of rare cosmetics, competing for some leaderboards that would be meaningless in comparison with the main game and rapid leveling if it meant tossing out their old accounts which they had worked hard to level for literally years.

No, FSW is meant for alt runners. It's tailor made for them. It's exactly what they've already been doing but now it would be at Jagex's expense. They'd be rewarded with rapid leveling and tons of rare items they'd later be able to trade or sell for a killing. All the very best of enticements for players who already are running plenty of alts. To them, it would be nothing to run a few more so they could capitalize on those rares.

Why argue when both RS3 and OSRS Jmods like Jack, and today Markos and Kieran told us clearly it is Jagex's focus on new and (long left, as Mod Kieran added today) returning players with their joint FSW project based on results of surveys to massive number of players Jagex conducted earlier this year?

18-Aug-2022 18:38:49

DefqonDude
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Dilbert2001 said :
I am pretty sure you can afford to buy the FSW cosmetics, perhaps except the ultra rares ones only available to the top 100 skillers or World First record holders, in the main game later, especially you are maxed except Dungeoneering.

Even if you really can't afford them, I don't see the problem as they are just cosmetics

You underestimate my casualness, haha. My bank value or cashstack is really just the bottom of the barrel. I like collecting the cosmetics. The problem with "they are just cosmetics" is the fact that they are unobtainable in any other way than doing FSW. Sure they have no impact on the game, but from my p.o.v. the fact that I would be denied even a chance to obtain them,unless I pay for FSW is sad.
Once again, it is not something that will turn heads at Jagex H.Q. for sure, but just from a casual cosmetic collector's point of view. Dutch Infinity and beyond

19-Aug-2022 09:55:10

Roddy Piper
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Well, there it is. Obviously the lure is to farm up tradeable exclusive items.

That would be a complete disaster if the alt farms were able to use RS3 GP to buy bonds and fund it all.

BUT folks are saying these bonds will only be buyable in the fresh worlds, and only used for buying GP.

If that is true it would be a very interesting situation. Are people actually willing to spend their own money AND put in the time to run an alt army?

If so, these worlds would be like money growing on a tree for Jagex. Just go out and rake up the bushels of cash.

I'm not convinced that this particular sub-species of whale exists in Runescape though. It's more like players with massive amounts of GP living large off of relatively cheap bond prices.

When you are spending that much money irl you want to be dominating in your game. Like real Pay-to-win.

19-Aug-2022 14:07:59

Dilbert2001
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DefqonDude said :
Dilbert2001 said :
I am pretty sure you can afford to buy the FSW cosmetics, perhaps except the ultra rares ones only available to the top 100 skillers or World First record holders, in the main game later, especially you are maxed except Dungeoneering.

Even if you really can't afford them, I don't see the problem as they are just cosmetics

You underestimate my casualness, haha. My bank value or cashstack is really just the bottom of the barrel. I like collecting the cosmetics. The problem with "they are just cosmetics" is the fact that they are unobtainable in any other way than doing FSW. Sure they have no impact on the game, but from my p.o.v. the fact that I would be denied even a chance to obtain them,unless I pay for FSW is sad.
Once again, it is not something that will turn heads at Jagex H.Q. for sure, but just from a casual cosmetic collector's point of view.

Can your afford to buy all the discontinued rarea like all the partyhats in RS3? If so, then you can afford to buy FSW "rares" that are really not that rare.

There are also a lot of cosmetics in Jagex's games such as the "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" title (only one exist and untradeable) and the OSRS Leagues Trophies (untradeables) that you missed out and will never obtain again. Are you torn by not getting them?

19-Aug-2022 15:39:21

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Roddy Piper said :
Well, there it is. Obviously the lure is to farm up tradeable exclusive items.

That would be a complete disaster if the alt farms were able to use RS3 GP to buy bonds and fund it all.

BUT folks are saying these bonds will only be buyable in the fresh worlds, and only used for buying GP.

If that is true it would be a very interesting situation. Are people actually willing to spend their own money AND put in the time to run an alt army?

If so, these worlds would be like money growing on a tree for Jagex. Just go out and rake up the bushels of cash.

I'm not convinced that this particular sub-species of whale exists in Runescape though. It's more like players with massive amounts of GP living large off of relatively cheap bond prices.

When you are spending that much money irl you want to be dominating in your game. Like real Pay-to-win.

Even if players can use in game gp to buy bonds to get membership on FSW, it will be the same situation with OSRS Leagues. Nothing special to the economy whatsoever, and we don't see all those Leagues "exclusive items" like Dwarf Multicannon Ornament Kits causing any problems to the market as they are just cosmetics and only a small number of players are interested in such a smaller rare market.

Jagex won't be making a lot more money when players are buying membership with Bond either as it is the players paying them real money to buy Bond who add to their top lines in both RS3 and OSRS.

19-Aug-2022 16:22:51

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