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NoctOwlMarie
Apr Member 2023

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As a newer player on a midlevel ironman account, the new Hero Pass is a real miss for me. While I am happy to see an expansion of seasonal cosmetic rewards, and I like the idea of more structured missions, losing XP and other gameplay-related rewards is a huge blow. I get it, the point of ironman is to get XP on your own. I don't think the old dailies really took away that challenge. They softened up the most dated and tedious skills (herblore & summoning *cough*), and provided me with incentive to train them. Skip tokens made it so I felt very little pressure to "dailyscape."

The new system lacks transparency as to how long the daily missions will take. Spending 100% of my time on the skill focus (mining) for the daily mission made it take about 20 minutes - but I wouldn't say that's how I want to spend my time when I log on - laser focused on one skill of the game's choosing. You could say, "then just do other skills," but to me, optimizing time spent to the best of your ability is one of the core gameplay experiences of runescape. Only when I've finished my dailies, my mind is at ease to spend the rest of my play time as I want to. It is what we do, and the new daily mission is both more time consuming and less fun than its predecessor.

I and other irons are also dissatisfied with losing the daily/weekly rewards items. DTDs were really meaningful rewards for HCIMs. We all enjoyed getting a stipend of various tokens. The one thing that doesn't excite us is getting more oddments, when we have very few ways to even spend them.

A few ideas that could make irons very happy:
- Give ironmen access to some of the hero satchels as a compensation for the weekly rewards we have lost.
- Reward ironmen with either XP or materials for completing missions. I like that the special necromancy mission gives a bunch of necro materials, for instance.
- Stop using oddments as a catchall ironman reward, OR add some useful or fun new items to the oddment shop.

05-Sep-2023 22:55:59

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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"I get it, the point of ironman is to get XP on your own. I don't think the old dailies really took away that challenge."


IM aren't supposed to get easy xp, IM shouldn't be allowed to take advantages of daillies.

"Skip tokens made it so I felt very little pressure to "dailyscape."


So you wrote you don't think old dailis took away the challenge, and then you talked about the pressure to "dailyscape" and you wanted the Skip Tokens? Shrug! Anyway, we only got 2 free skip tokens from past Yak Tracks with 50 or 60 tiers, we didn't lose anything significant.

"The new system lacks transparency as to how long the daily missions will take. Spending 100% of my time on the skill focus (mining) for the daily mission made it take about 20 minutes - but I wouldn't say that's how I want to spend my time when I log on"


It took me less than 20 minutes. For instance, I finished all 3 tiers of thieving daily mission today in 10 minutes. If you want to focus on finishing the daily mission first, just do the skill assigned. Even if you pick other tasks not assigned, pickpocketing low level targets is still very good. It may take 20 minutes but it is auto pickpocketing.

"DTDs were really meaningful rewards for HCIMs."

You are newer and midlevel player, practically DTDs aren't worthy for you as mid level mobs are really easy and not worth a DTD to kill. You can also buy DTD from the Travelling Merchant Ship in DSP with gp.

"The one thing that doesn't excite us is getting more oddments, when we have very few ways to even spend them."


How so? It takes over 200k Oddments to buy out the items in the Oddments Stores. As a midlevel HCIM, how did you get 200k Oddments?

06-Sep-2023 00:01:10

NoctOwlMarie
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1 - Daily challenges predated the ironman mode - so effectively ironman mode was designed with daily xp and challenge rewards in mind. You are making up your own goal posts of what you think ironman should be.

2 - I am not talking about skip tokens from yak trak, I am talking about skip tokens on daily/weekly rewards.

3 - Doing my focus mission of mining exclusively, and while actively monitoring it, it took me 20 minutes to complete. I think it's an issue if some skills take 10 minutes and other take 2x or longer, and are reliant on having a very full bank.

4 - Tbh I don't care that much about DTDs - just echoing a sentiment I have seen elsewhere from HCIMs.

5 - What in the oddments shop is exciting to you? Why do I have to buy it out if it's exclusively full of cosmetics that I would never use?


You seem to want to argue with me, but you don't post anything that's good about the Hero Pass for ironmen. It is a flat downgrade for ironmen.

06-Sep-2023 03:10:49

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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1. Challenge system came out in 2019, way way way after IM.

2. You still didn't explain why you complained about Dailyscape took away the challenge and then you don't like the challenge in Hero Pass.

3. Yes, some skills are faster because of less human input and less idle time wasted.

4. You echoed the wrong sentiment then. Other player's sentiments may not apply to you either, as they can be veteran maxed HCIM doing 4k Telos but you are just a newer midlevel HCIM.

5. Didn't you ask for non-cosmetics items? Legendary pets are a lot more than just cosmetics. They give a lot of benefits.

06-Sep-2023 03:20:41

Mini JIT
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Dilbert2001 said :
1. Challenge system came out in 2019, way way way after IM.

2. You still didn't explain why you complained about Dailyscape took away the challenge and then you don't like the challenge in Hero Pass.

3. Yes, some skills are faster because of less human input and less idle time wasted.

4. You echoed the wrong sentiment then. Other player's sentiments may not apply to you either, as they can be veteran maxed HCIM doing 4k Telos but you are just a newer midlevel HCIM.

5. Didn't you ask for non-cosmetics items? Legendary pets are a lot more than just cosmetics. They give a lot of benefits.

Making up more lies as always?

Challange system came out in late 2012 and Ironman came out in late 2014 (the date above my name). 2012 comes before 2014. How is it fair I was given almost 200k a day in skills like dung for doing c1 small floor in 2 mins all those years ago and new irons now cannot benefit? (and yes, I know it got reworked so they had to do c6 later on, so it took 5 mins)

Why bring up silly legendary pets that no iron uses in every post you make?. They can't use scrolls for yaks/steel titans/ ripper demons, or anything else so they are pointless. The ROL ability has been disabled along with slayer/ high alch/ repair and fertiliser and for skilling carpets are more useful.

06-Sep-2023 07:23:24 - Last edited on 06-Sep-2023 07:25:24 by Mini JIT

Pulseironic
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Dilbert2001 said :

5. Didn't you ask for non-cosmetics items? Legendary pets are a lot more than just cosmetics. They give a lot of benefits. ya a random item pickup with a 30 second cooldown, from my observations, and 1 item banked and 1 item alched every 10 minutes. those are the ONLY benefits a legendary pet has. and as said many times, once you get everything there is no reason to keep getting oddments for ironmen.

06-Sep-2023 07:33:26

Maglusek
May Member 2023

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well, i'm playing IM and I do not care,
it's a good game and long good grinding anyway, and it's fun to achive things by yourself.

on another hand, this game is more and more P2W anyway,
if jagex wants to sell deathtoutch darts $1/ea that's fine,
I'm still IM and do not care.

06-Sep-2023 08:08:28

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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Mini JIT said :
Dilbert2001 said :
1. Challenge system came out in 2019, way way way after IM.

2. You still didn't explain why you complained about Dailyscape took away the challenge and then you don't like the challenge in Hero Pass.

3. Yes, some skills are faster because of less human input and less idle time wasted.

4. You echoed the wrong sentiment then. Other player's sentiments may not apply to you either, as they can be veteran maxed HCIM doing 4k Telos but you are just a newer midlevel HCIM.

5. Didn't you ask for non-cosmetics items? Legendary pets are a lot more than just cosmetics. They give a lot of benefits.

Making up more lies as always?

Challange system came out in late 2012 and Ironman came out in late 2014 (the date above my name). 2012 comes before 2014. How is it fair I was given almost 200k a day in skills like dung for doing c1 small floor in 2 mins all those years ago and new irons now cannot benefit? (and yes, I know it got reworked so they had to do c6 later on, so it took 5 mins)

Why bring up silly legendary pets that no iron uses in every post you make?. They can't use scrolls for yaks/steel titans/ ripper demons, or anything else so they are pointless. The ROL ability has been disabled along with slayer/ high alch/ repair and fertiliser and for skilling carpets are more useful.

I am talking about the new Challenge System with the dailies and TH keys and such that the person I replied to complained about. It is incredibly obvious we couldn't have TH key in 2012 as you make up more lies as always because TH came out in 2014.

06-Sep-2023 16:12:11

Dilbert2001
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Pulseironic said :
Dilbert2001 said :

5. Didn't you ask for non-cosmetics items? Legendary pets are a lot more than just cosmetics. They give a lot of benefits. ya a random item pickup with a 30 second cooldown, from my observations, and 1 item banked and 1 item alched every 10 minutes. those are the ONLY benefits a legendary pet has. and as said many times, once you get everything there is no reason to keep getting oddments for ironmen.

What? You didn't realize Legendary Pets can offer a lot to us player than just pickup a random item with a 30 second "colddown"? Scavenging is the worst and least used ability for a Legendary Pet. That's why many Legendary Pets are sold for a lot of Runecoins (like 1k each).

https://runescape.wiki/w/Legendary_pet#Abilities

06-Sep-2023 16:15:23

Pulseironic
Mar Member 2020

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yes, now please explain how that changes anything? youve made multiple attempts at basically telling ironman "haha youre stupid for playing ironman" with the way you have been demeaning to us every single time we bring up the dissatisfaction with this update. youre literally targeting us for harassment and trolling at this point.

06-Sep-2023 16:44:48

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