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Dilbert2001
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Bond is a simple purchase to get instant gp to buy resources for DXP gain in RS3 and endgame gear like tbow in OSRS for recycled BH which was closed because of bots and gold farmers that was obviously not good for the health of both the players and Jagex.

25-May-2023 23:09:45

Kat Stryke

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Dilbert2001 said :
Kat Stryke said :
Jagex: "We care about mental health."

Also Jagex: "BUY MORE KEYS!"

Yeah...nothing screams mental health quite like pushing people into addiction. Using MTX to promote good mental health is like having an open bar at an AA meeting. It's inappropriate.

For those who cannot see the irony, allow me to remind you of the following:

FOMO means Fear Of Missing Out. The operative word is FEAR.

FOMO does not mean For Our Mental Outlook.

Love,
Kat


TH keys can't do a thing in this charity event.

There is also no FOMO factor the items can be obtained either playing the game regularly or buy from SGS at any time.


You are so close to understanding the point, but you're not quite there.

True, TH keys have nothing to do with promoting mental health.

That is the point being made here.

Imagine if Jagex owned a gym, where overweight RuneScape players could go to work out and lose weight, because they care about the players' physical health. Then Jagex installs some fast food franchises right there inside the gym, so that all those players struggling with food addiction can smell all those delicious treats while trying to exercise.

Sure, you can say, "Fast food has nothing to do with promoting physical health." and you'd be correct. However, if you cannot see that the fast food being sold there in the gym is an obstacle to the players making healthy choices as they try to resist temptation, your observation does nothing to address the actual problem.

Saying you care about an issue is fine, but if your solution is to make the problem worse, you are literally doing more harm than good.
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27-May-2023 09:24:25

Kat Stryke

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Dilbert2001 said :
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Dilbert, you're missing the point of this thread. OP was talking about the TH key Foresight to Train. He obviously bought a whole bunch of keys to prepare for it, and then was hit with a better promo offer just after buying them.

The point he was making was that Jagex shouldn't make a song and dance about supporting a mental health charity in public; whilst doing this sort of thing to harm their own players who suffer from compulsive addictions to the gambling aspect of TH.


No. OP and the others are missing the point rather. Mental Health Week has nothing to do with the TH key. Even if you have to pick on MTX, why is TH a problem but it is OK for RS3 and OSRS to continue to sell Bonds MTX during Mental Health Week? :D

Literally nobody said that in this thread.

Nobody even mentioned bonds until you brought them up.

Although your obvious red herring argument is obvious, I will address it anyway.

If either game assaulted players with a pop-up ad pushing bonds as a way to celebrate mental health awareness, I would also find that inappropriate. It's still MTX. If a player is addicted to buying bonds to the point where it becomes a problem, then no it is not ok.
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27-May-2023 09:52:11

Dilbert2001
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^^
TYVM. When you bought up the analogies of gym and fast food that nobody mentioned in this thread, you also reminded every one of us Jagex is also selling the "unhealthy" Bonds MTX in OSRS and RS3, not just TH keys.

27-May-2023 16:18:49

BrunoNutto
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Dilbert, only TH keys have an ongoing gambling mechanic built into them and one that's fully utilized by behavioural conditioning.

THAT is what this thread is about.

Unless Jagex somewhere sell a "lucky dip bond" where you can get double or nothing every time you buy one...bonds are totally irrelevant to the point OP was making.

27-May-2023 21:36:06

Dilbert2001
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BrunoNutto said :
Dilbert, only TH keys have an ongoing gambling mechanic built into them and one that's fully utilized by behavioural conditioning.

THAT is what this thread is about.

Unless Jagex somewhere sell a "lucky dip bond" where you can get double or nothing every time you buy one...bonds are totally irrelevant to the point OP was making.


Absolutely wrong! TH keys doesn't give any thing of real world values. It is absolutely not gambling regulated by real world governments.

Real world gambling will be like this OSRS sponsored upcoming tournament which gives $5,000 real money to the winners:

"$5,000 is on the line for 16 of our Creators

🏆Who will win the 4th Annual Crusader Classic, Officially Sponsored by
@OldSchoolRS"


https://twitter.com/CrusaderTalent/status/1662515002694152194

Jagex could have donated the $5,000 real money for the Mental Health Week instead of giving them to certain OSRS players.

What is healthy to our mental health and what's not, please direct this thread to WHO and other real world governments.

28-May-2023 18:06:54 - Last edited on 28-May-2023 18:14:46 by Dilbert2001

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Gambling is both a psychological phenomenon as well as a legal definition. TH is most certainly designed to be the former, even if not qualifying as the latter due to governmental inaction.

The frenetic shaking of the chests, designed to bring a false sense of urgency.

The "OUT OF KEYS!" capitalized text with an exclamation mark, designed to bring a sense of depression and regret.

The Multi key use option, designed to rush through the keys and lose track of time and spending.

All these tactics and others besides are similar to those used in gaming on casino sites, and are designed purely to trap those who are susceptible to such measures at certain points in their lives.

28-May-2023 19:27:55

Dilbert2001
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We don't make regulations, not Jagex either. Jagex knows what is regulated under real world laws such as the UK Gambling Acts, and what's not. That's why they have specific Terms and Conditions for content like the upcoming OSRS $5,000 prize tournament but not TH.

Regardless what your personal opinion is, the mental health organization Jagex is donating to are happy to partner with Jagex because RS3 is sacrificing their Runecoin revnenues for good will and good deed, even though OSRS chooses to "donate" to streamers through UK regulated gambling mean.

28-May-2023 21:18:12 - Last edited on 28-May-2023 21:18:50 by Dilbert2001

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They most certainly do have Terms & Conditions for TH. There's a big button with "Terms & Conditions" printed on it in case you didn't realize. Just underneath another big button with "Probabilities".

Some of the applicable Terms & Conditions you say don't exist are these ones:
13. VIRTUAL CURRENCIES, MICRO-GAME CREDITS AND VIRTUAL ITEMS

They also have age restrictions so that they cannot be accused of exposing children to the gambling game of TH which is governed by specific T&C's. Jagex also have to publicly proclaim the "probabilities" as is required under UK regulated gambling laws.

29-May-2023 09:38:58

Dilbert2001
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BrunoNutto said :
They most certainly do have Terms & Conditions for TH. There's a big button with "Terms & Conditions" printed on it in case you didn't realize. Just underneath another big button with "Probabilities".

Some of the applicable Terms & Conditions you say don't exist are these ones:
13. VIRTUAL CURRENCIES, MICRO-GAME CREDITS AND VIRTUAL ITEMS

They also have age restrictions so that they cannot be accused of exposing children to the gambling game of TH which is governed by specific T&C's. Jagex also have to publicly proclaim the "probabilities" as is required under UK regulated gambling laws.


That's not the gambling regulation T&S. It is just the Jagex T&S applicable to all Jagex games including OSRS andn RS3, and all products including OSRS and RS3 bonds, and also all kinds of content including tutorial island to say the least.

Jagex clearly mentioned they put ages restriction on TH although they aren't required by any regulations.

Providing odds on games of chance is not mandated by any government regulations. It is purely recommended by self regulatory bodies like PEGI.

29-May-2023 16:57:07 - Last edited on 29-May-2023 18:47:50 by Dilbert2001

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