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Caustic Wolf
Sep Member 2020

Caustic Wolf

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Yeah, so... The pumpkin masks... You took away the light source buff? For Ironmen only? I don't see how that's any bit fair. This was an item put into the game with a special use. Participating in the event to get these items was one of the main focus for me to even participate in the Halloween event. Now it seems as though all those pumpkins I smashed to go for said items was all for naught. How is it okay for an item to give a passive buff to one party but not the other? I don't agree with this change. I would appreciate it if we could get the buff back please and thank you.

23-Oct-2023 20:54:50

Tetsuya152
Sep Member 2023

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What i understand even less is why from the very beginning Ironmen have had a lower chance to obtain any of the rewards from the event. According to the wiki the odds for an IM to get any reward is lower than for normal players, and the drop rates are already abysmal as is.

I personally don't think the light source removal is too big of a deal, it just means i need one inventory slot for a light source instead, and if i go somewhere where i really really need every single inventory slot i can get then i'm not gonna be wearing a pumpkin on my head anyway.

But both together, first going "Oh yeah you're way less likely to get these drops, but if you REALLY grind for it, you can get it still!" and then after thousands of pumpkins in going "Oh yeah now that some of you have the loot, we're nerfing it"
That just feels shabby. I'd be interested in what exactly the reasoning behind the removal of it is, how exactly they thought "Oh no, we can't give these ironmen players LIGHT. Too powerful if they can see normally."

23-Oct-2023 22:30:33

miniData
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Tetsuya152, i think you misunderstod what the post is about :)

Its the mask you get from Pumpkin Pete (the rotten 1) that after smashing 250 pumpkins you can change it to another 1 that could act as a lightsouce for irons until todays update.

23-Oct-2023 23:30:12

Caustic Wolf
Sep Member 2020

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I chose Ironman because of the self progression aspect. But, I'm starting to feel like we're being left out on a lot of game content. One example being th cosmetics. They should add any cosmetics that are in treasure hunter to the oddments store. Oddments feel like somewhat of a loyalty system. As an Ironman self progression is great. But, not being able to get certain things because ironmen don't have access to the content that is provided to get whatever it is to be got, it feels pretty crappy.

I like how we have the option to purchase the cosmetics from the grand exchange, that's great. But, let's be honest, if they're going to put something in the game, that both parties are able to get, then both parties should be able to use said item as it is intended. That's my whole ordeal with the pumpkin mask change. "It works for them but not for us?" Yeah, the candle thing is not that great of a buff, but the disablement of the item for ironmen account struck a nerve. Almost feels like I'm being punished for choosing ironman!

23-Oct-2023 23:38:09

Tetsuya152
Sep Member 2023

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@MiniData
Seems i did indeed misunderstand, just realized they removed not the "illuminates area" effect, but removed the "save necromancy resources" effect. So basically it's absolutely pointless farming for the ensouled now.

Apologies for the confusion!



@Caustic Wolf
Because ironmen do get punished for being ironmen,especially on events. I'm fine not getting double XP, a variety of buffs and normal items on events. But when we're talking about event specific items, like cosmetics only obtainable during that one event, about TH cosmetic rewards we get no alternate way of obtaining, or straight up rare drops like the ensouled mask that have a lower droprate just because you're ironman, that's when it turns into just excluding people from things. It just serves to make ironmen feel forced to grind even more.

And as for Oddments, it feels like they didn't updat the Oddment store in literal years, since we get Oddments as replacement for just about anything we cannot get, i'd agree that allowing for them to be used to buy more things would be good. Normal players benefit more using them for keys and buffs. Irons could at least get a TH exclusive cosmetic here or there from it instead, i literally have no other use for my 45k+ pile of Oddments at this point.

24-Oct-2023 00:28:33 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2023 01:44:15 by Tetsuya152

Mini JIT
Oct Member 2014

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I think it's because it's a limited time item (that has a use) and be unfair for future irons but saying that I had Mahjarrat aura for years before they unlocked it again for every other iron.

Edit: And Dwarven instinct aura, the one with all the chests.

24-Oct-2023 01:57:20 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2023 03:00:13 by Mini JIT

Mini JIT
Oct Member 2014

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Caustic Wolf said :
Well, they have made the cosmetics tradeable for this Halloween event. So any future ironmen do have the ability to obtain them. It'll just cost them an arm and a leg.

Ah it's the free candles that got removed I thought it was the ability to see in the dark because the other items like bullseye lantern and sears headband require high skills.

Not that big of a deal because we get xp for making them and get loads free every day from the tasks.

I think someone at Jagex got mixed up and removed the wrong ability.

24-Oct-2023 03:15:36

STEELMONSTER
Jun Member 2023

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Whichever Jmod is responsible for the final go/no-go of iron buffs needs to put in their bible that there should either be ZERO useful limited-availability items, or all limited-availability items should be accessible after the event ends.

They should stop letting Reddit/forum complains decide 'integrity' issues and make input available to all irons through polls or have an official ironman discord/opinion submission system.

But above all of this, the existence of Guardian's Gift forevermore negates any complaints any iron will ever make of limited-availability useful items, full stop. I haven't ever seen a single person complain that guardian's gift is too powerful for ironman mode given its limited availability, yet if you didn't play during those 2 months or however long the login lockout was, you'll never get one or the *minimum* potential 45 of *any* components. Yet saving the lowest durability degradables during rituals? "Get that out! Muh integrity! Saving 5 seconds every 10 minutes is too op!"

I don't care whether the effect exists or not. What bothers me is that it exists, then people complained on social media so much (edit: a minority of players complained, mind you - none of them speak for the rest of us and none of them are the arbiters of the spirit of the mode) that dev time was dedicated to removing it JUST for ironman. The better solution would have been to not have the ensouled pumpkin head be one of the purchasable cosmetics on the GE, because again, guardian's gift set the precedent that irons might not be able to get all the items to ever exist.

24-Oct-2023 14:36:24 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2023 14:39:37 by STEELMONSTER

STEELMONSTER
Jun Member 2023

STEELMONSTER

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Whichever Jmod is responsible for the final go/no-go of iron buffs needs to put in their bible that there should either be ZERO useful limited-availability items, or all limited-availability items should be accessible after the event ends.

They should stop letting Reddit/forum complains decide 'integrity' issues and make input available to all irons through polls or have an official ironman discord/opinion submission system.

But above all of this, the existence of Guardian's Gift forevermore negates any complaints any iron will ever make of limited-availability useful items, full stop. I haven't ever seen a single person complain that guardian's gift is too powerful for ironman mode given its limited availability, yet if you didn't play during those 2 months or however long the login lockout was, you'll never get one or the *minimum* potential 45 of *any* components. Yet saving the lowest durability degradables during rituals? "Get that out! Muh integrity! Saving 5 seconds every 10 minutes is too op!"

I don't care whether the effect exists or not. What bothers me is that it exists, then people complained on social media so much that dev time was dedicated to removing it JUST for ironman. The better solution would have been to not have the ensouled pumpkin head be one of the purchasable cosmetics on the GE, because again, guardian's gift set the precedent that irons might not be able to get all the items to ever exist.

24-Oct-2023 14:36:26

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