RuneScape Forum Archive | question about alt accounts

Jan

2003

Tuffty

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If it was illegal I'm sure 1000's if not 100,000's would get banned for using the Grand Exchange this way.

Remember though this is done at your own risk.

Good luck.

Gaining an Unfair advantage is for Mini Games such as Castle Wars and others where you rig the outcome. Nothing to do with Grand Exchange etc. Comprehensive Account Security

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02-Jan-2024 13:48:07

2_Tron

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Can you enlighten me, how is trading with your own accounts, as per OP & others/good friends, a serious risk?

Bypassing the Grand Exchange limits is '
rigging the G.E
' for a profit only to fatten yourselves wealth for a cheap membership.

This is exactly how games like RuneScape go down the drain and all areas become empty areas as all is focussed only at high-wealth places for that profit you and others are '
bank-standing
' for.

I'll remind Jagex/JMods to the very moment the Grand Exchange was rigged within seconds and had to be fixed quickly so it wasn't become worthless in an hour of introduction.

02-Jan-2024 14:00:45

Nov

2007

Tranq

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When it comes to the grand exchange it's not the merching that is the issue especially if you're only using your account and say 1 alt to do so. the problem comes in if say someone has an alt army that could move the market. They could "invest" in a particular item that they already own. Artificially inflate the cost of said item buy intentionally buying it all up from themselves and others. Then when others see it's on the rise be considered stuck with a devalued item by the player base.

We've seen it happen with merching clans pyramid schemes. Is a person with a single alt that has a buy limit of say 10 with a single alt put in for that to buy 10 as well to increase their buy limit to 20 every 4 hours harmful no it isn't at least in my estimate as I'm probably not going to be buying that item anyhow.

Now is a person with 200 alts that can be well financed all buying the same item at 10 per 4 hours, now has the buying power of over 2000 every 4 hours. Could effect the market certainly in the short term or could possible have a market moving long term impact.

So this is one of those gray areas in the rules when the rules got far more ambiguous with the language. 20 years ago the rules actually listed many things you couldn't do and said these rules aren't an extensive list. As the rules got more relaxed in the wording people took that to mean it doesn't say "this in particular" so it must be ok. Hense the debate on alt's rigging a minigame. Everyone goes but it says rigging a mingame it doesn't mention this over here. It's an example of what someone shouldn't be doing.

The odds of getting an official J-mod post on the subject matter however remains bleak.

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02-Jan-2024 15:35:32

Nov

2023

CasusBelli

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This should be fine! There's a good warning about not trading in 'odd ways' like dropping etc, so best to avoid those. As with all things, if it feels wrong then it probably is. Standard trading between accounts - no issues. Trading to lots of accounts and placing all sorts of strange trades to try to manipulate the GE, probably not cool! Just a kinda fun-guy. Guess that makes me a mushroom.

02-Jan-2024 15:39:02 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2024 15:39:18 by CasusBelli

Jul

2005

a Failure

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Each character has its own GE buy limit, and they are free to use up their limit as desired. Each character is also allowed to trade with other characters as desired (including alts). So there's no reason I can see why a character couldn't freely buy his limit and then trade it with his alt/main.

If someone created a load of alts in order to manipulate the market this way, that would be a different story, and Jagex might frown upon it or even action it. But if it's simply a handful of alts helping each other buy some additional items, then that should be fine.

02-Jan-2024 16:28:03

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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2_Tron said :
Tenebri said :

its literally in the rules. you can trade between accounts as if you would with another player.
this uncludes buying off ge.

i dont know why people seem to think this is against the rules. it is not.

this is not an "unfair advantage" they speak of. especially when it literally says you can trade between accounts...

ive been doing it for years Yes it is '
literally in the rules
'.

To assist you further, the question wasn't 'may I multi-log/multi-trade' but more so '
use it for merching to bypass g.e limit
'.
That was the real question.

And that is allowed yes
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02-Jan-2024 17:01:37

Jan

2015

Tenebri

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2_Tron said :

Bypassing the Grand Exchange limits is '
rigging the G.E
' for a profit only to fatten yourselves wealth for a cheap membership.
.

it literally says we can trade with our alt accounts as we would with any other player.

what is there to understand

with your own logic, this means i can trade my entire bank to my alt. all my rares my millions of runes all armours etc.

but god forbid i buy the ge limit of uncut rubies and give it to my alt.

you are implying that this is rigging the ge. which makes literally 0 sense, as we can buy anything we want from players.
no matter what, if i had 1k accounts that could trade or 1k accounts that couldnt trade. its still exactly the same amount of items i can buy.
how is that rigging anything if i can trade it to one account? makes no sense lol

you are confusing minigames with the ge. i dont know how you have done that

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02-Jan-2024 18:58:51 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2024 20:17:56 by Tenebri

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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In a 100% player driven economy, having over 9,000 alts trading over the GE won't do much in the price of an item.

You can have your alts to put up whatever high GE price for you what number of items over the trade limit, but when natural demand of the market guides players to sell their items at normal price, they will always undercut your alts.

There is a thread in the RSOF on this issue and OP want to know why other players spoil their plan in using lots of alts to artificially inflate the price of the item they want to sell.

I can see this a problem in a non-player driven economy though, as if Jagex use public GE tax fund to bail out your item at artificial high price, say ECB, then it will be a legal exploit that you can use alts to sell over 9,000 ECB to Jagex at high price of say 1.5 bil gp. Bummer! This is Jenga economy, not player driven economy. But the good news is this doesn't happen in RS3.

02-Jan-2024 19:00:39 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2024 19:02:48 by Dilbert2001

2_Tron

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@Tranq, thanks for your response as you are getting at it. The danger the community is facing isn’t soo much the obvious abuse Jagex/JMods are on the hideout for, but more-so a less obvious wider area of abuse Jagex/JMods aren’t doing anything about but has a larger impact on the community.

When RuneScape was developed in the early beginning everything in the market was priced at ‘natural skill development’ where lower level items were less costly than high level items. Many things in RuneScape were balanced based upon progress and access to areas as well as access to features for trades.

With the Grand Exchange coming to RuneScape we expected that it would be a helpful feature in honest trades but at the moment, if you look closely, the market is torn upside down, out of context with RuneScape’s early development, totally disconnected from RuneScape’s ‘natural skill development’ loose from RuneScape’s gameplay.
The Grand Exchange is simply ruining RuneScape, leaving it to be a game of RWT played at the Grand Exchange leaving the rest of RuneScape to die in vain.

Todays items, for example ‘bronze items’, sometimes have ‘periodically’ such a high G.E. price such items shouldn’t have based upon their value/skill in RuneScape, where they transcend for example ‘rune items’ easily which are of much higher value/skill.
Even items that you only need once in a RuneScape’s life suddenly have a high value in the G.E. when there isn’t even a market for following RuneScape’s gameplay. Are there soo many new players in RuneScape running around eager to learn to play this fantastic game?
Well, there’s a new development in how to invade RuneScape with new techniques which many called/call them ‘automatic processes/bots’.
Many have doubts that Jagex/JMods are doing the right thing to battle those as they continue coming to RuneScape.

(continued)

03-Jan-2024 13:21:47

2_Tron

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With the era ‘we-pay-we-say’ RuneScape did start its decline as it slowly has been changed into ‘we-play-you-pay’, RuneScape totally disrupted.
In todays world of RuneScape I would advise against players buying bonds for real money, as all that money goes down to RWT.
The idea the OP of this thread has, is again a reminder that players aren’t interested in RuneScape but more so in the RWT-money game RuneScape did become.

The market is played, demand and supply is key and as such, new players are focussed at the G.E. and what happens there, regardless if some new storyline will be developed or not.
Players are focussed at profit and profit only and the ones whom play those RWT-tricks correct have free passage to everything in RuneScape at ‘0’ costs.
Bonds stay on the rise and these are fully controlled by RWT.

To help the true RuneScape Community is, is to drop all G.E. limits drastically to an ‘all time low’ so profits gained through RWT-tricks are devalued to a ‘natural skill development’, to restore RuneScape’s former glory. To play the G.E. limits should be prohibited as it disrupts the entire game of RuneScape.

We need to restore RuneScape’s former glory to be an ‘Online Game for Social Engagement & Entertainment’ and for those developers whom disagree … >>> there’s the door as we don’t need a game for RWT.

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Balance has to be restored …
'

03-Jan-2024 13:22:31

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