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Archaeox said :
Grass4smoker said :
Guys, this is not that hard. A little bit of network knowledge and some simple TCP code can ban these CIDR ranges for life. It is as simple as that.

Wow.

You did it.

You solved a problem that plagues the entire gaming industry.

We abase ourselves before the altar of your awesomeness.






Just kidding. You have an oversimplistic view of the whole problem, and casually dismiss the hard work being put in by genuine experts both at Jagex and many other gaming companies.


Please highlight the exact technical aspect of my solution that would not work.
How was my solution oversimplified? Should I have written the code for them? Where's my paycheck from Jagex? Lololol
Also, please tell where I casually dismissed any of the hard work being done by "genuine experts" and what division they work in and what technologies they are trying to utilize so I can apologize to them deeply... /s

If they were genuine experts they wouldn't have trouble detecting their adversaries would they.

Also, great Tu Quoque logical fallacy you have there - just because you think I'm not qualified I must be wrong, right? Where did you find my qualifications? LOL

03-Jan-2024 22:51:04

03-Jan-2024 22:52:06 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2024 22:52:40 by Tenebri

Tenebri said :
Archaeox said :
Grass4smoker said :
Guys, this is not that hard. A little bit of network knowledge and some simple TCP code can ban these CIDR ranges for life. It is as simple as that.

Wow.

You did it.

You solved a problem that plagues the entire gaming industry.

We abase ourselves before the altar of your awesomeness.






Just kidding. You have an oversimplistic view of the whole problem, and casually dismiss the hard work being put in by genuine experts both at Jagex and many other gaming companies.

.

Actually, yes it is that simple. As hard as it might be to imagine, there are plenty of developers and services out there that provide entertainment that are 10x the size of Jagex and yet they dont have nearly the percentage of their player base/DAU counts being bots as Jagex does. It's almost as if they developed a programmatic way of shutting out the bots by making it exponentially less beneficial to create said accounts to run the botting programs.
How would I know this? Maybe because I'm a developer also and I can tell you - just posting this comment will log my device information and my IP with the server. I've witnessed this on WordPress pages (PHP) and plenty of other devs can tell you the same exists within the servers and applications that ISPs and cell phone carriers have. They don't have some magic wand for this either - meaning it's not hard to do, they literally have libraries for documenting device ID information and IP info too.

BLOCK the CIDR in which the IP resides and it's solved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing in case you need to read up on what I'm saying, there's the link for what a CIDR is.

Is it hard? Sure maybe if youre not that versed in the technology but seeing as Jagex runs the servers I'd wager to bet they have a lot of insight & capabilities on their player (1/2)

03-Jan-2024 22:52:25

Tenebri said :
Archaeox said :
Grass4smoker said :
Guys, this is not that hard. A little bit of network knowledge and some simple TCP code can ban these CIDR ranges for life. It is as simple as that.
Wow.
You did it.
You solved a problem that plagues the entire gaming industry.
We abase ourselves before the altar of your awesomeness.
Just kidding. You have an oversimplistic view of the whole problem, and casually dismiss the hard work being put in by genuine experts both at Jagex and many other gaming companies.

.

Is it hard? Sure maybe if youre not that versed in the technology but seeing as Jagex runs the servers I'd wager to bet they have a lot of insight & capabilities on their player base, they can literally escalate your user privs and make any user a Jagex Mod at the flip of the switch and they dont know how to perma-ban players based on IP ranges?
That is hard to believe.

Besides, what are you offering aside from negging?
The fact of the matter is this: bots are bad & Jagex is doing a bad job at banning them.
If you have anything to contribute by way of solutions then feel free to reply, but you seem like a bot user yourself with your contributions thus far (2/2)

03-Jan-2024 22:53:44

Tenebri said :
IP banning doesnt work. hasnt done for a very long time

from my little understanding thats the basics in which you are saying right?

Grass4smoker said :


Is it hard? Sure maybe if youre not that versed in the technology but seeing as Jagex runs the servers I'd wager to bet they have a lot of insight & capabilities on their player base,

you are very close in understanding why your simple solution would not work

go on!! you are so close!!!!

Grass4smoker said :

Besides, what are you offering aside from negging?


im just here to discuss things.

ive been playing over 2 decades. its nice to discuss things i understand especially when someone comes along with an idea that we know wont work.

just because im not giving an actual idea on how to deal with them doesnt what im saying lacks validity.



also accusing people of botting / just being rude is not a good idea when posting on forums. just an fyi, maybe an idea to read code of conduct.

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03-Jan-2024 22:54:52 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2024 23:00:37 by Tenebri

03-Jan-2024 23:12:26

Tenebri said :
Tenebri said :
IP banning doesnt work. hasnt done for a very long time

from my little understanding thats the basics in which you are saying right?

Grass4smoker said :


Is it hard? Sure maybe if youre not that versed in the technology but seeing as Jagex runs the servers I'd wager to bet they have a lot of insight & capabilities on their player base,

you are very close in understanding why your simple solution would not work

go on!! you are so close!!!!

Grass4smoker said :

Besides, what are you offering aside from negging?


im just here to discuss things.

ive been playing over 2 decades. its nice to discuss things i understand especially when someone comes along with an idea that we know wont work.

just because im not giving an actual idea on how to deal with them doesnt what im saying lacks validity.



also accusing people of botting / just being rude is not a good idea when posting on forums. just an fyi, maybe an idea to read code of conduct.
Really? You seemed like you were negging to start with and your comments made it seem like you weren't coming up with solutions or even community involvement. In fact, you were only pointing out why senseiofstr was so mistaken and why my solutions werent/arent enough without giving anything other than the "they said so" reasoning. That's a hollow thought process. So yeah, when you actively negate and try to disprove rather than improve what others are laying down it seems as though you're the exact type of player that we are trying to root out?? Or you were backing the botters and Jagex's lack of transparency which plays into the favor of the botting community. Either way - yeah, you seemed like purely opposing anything being laid out instead of trying to come together and improve the standing of a community that is going on 20+ yrs

03-Jan-2024 23:20:56 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2024 23:21:11 by Grass4smoker

Tenebri said :
Tenebri said :
IP banning doesnt work. hasnt done for a very long time

from my little understanding thats the basics in which you are saying right?

Grass4smoker said :


Is it hard? Sure maybe if youre not that versed in the technology but seeing as Jagex runs the servers I'd wager to bet they have a lot of insight & capabilities on their player base,

you are very close in understanding why your simple solution would not work

go on!! you are so close!!!!

Grass4smoker said :

Besides, what are you offering aside from negging?


im just here to discuss things.

ive been playing over 2 decades. its nice to discuss things i understand especially when someone comes along with an idea that we know wont work.

just because im not giving an actual idea on how to deal with them doesnt what im saying lacks validity.



also accusing people of botting / just being rude is not a good idea when posting on forums. just an fyi, maybe an idea to read code of conduct.

You have to be joking. "you are very close in understanding why your simple solution would not work

go on!! you are so close!!!!" Pray tell on the specifics behind why my idea wont work. I'm still waiting for you to explain, and be specific. I'm dying to see what your answer is. Tell me how they'd get around having a device's entire possible range of IP addresses blocked from reaching a server and get a successful SYN/ACK handshake. I'm waiting.
You say you know it won't work yet you offer nothing in return? Great discussion.
You say you're just here to discuss but so far you only brought up one way that wasn't too different from what senseiofstr brought to the table - aside from that, everything you've contributed has been "that wont work" which is essentially saying "you're wrong" & playing devil's advocate isnt contributing

03-Jan-2024 23:31:59 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2024 23:32:40 by Grass4smoker

senseiofstr said :
wow, I'm currently looking at 4 "Casino" bots. Everyone is cool this is? Modators, you guys okay with it? Blows my mind, BANNED THEM, report them, why is this STILL an issues? Why do I give my money to people who keep adding more and more stuff instead of actually fixing it, we Quick to take your cash, but not to work to up hold the every rule they created, wtf.
...and everyone is okay with it.
Do you not agree?
Disagree?
why?

Well, I've contributed a lot of ideas and positive thinking towards the problem while Archaeox & Tenebri seems deadlocked on killing any legitimate ideas and labelling them as "that won't work" "they tried that" or "not good enough" since they know sooo much more about RuneScape than anyone here and have so much insider knowledge

03-Jan-2024 23:43:52 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2024 23:44:12 by Grass4smoker