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Mixed Slush said :
a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behaviour or for a chain of reasoning.

"the basic principles of justice The '
Rules of RuneScape
' and/or '
Terms & Conditions
' are that what you are looking for.

01-Oct-2023 21:03:39

Mixed Slush

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Which is where the gowers explained the principle behind the rule..
Which is why it made sense.
Which it fails to make sense when a company Which sells gold tells someone they're not maintaining the integrity of the game, especially a company who bans people like me just for pointing this stuff out .
It's offensive.
So they should change it.

01-Oct-2023 21:37:12

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Mixed Slush said :
Which is where the gowers explained the principle behind the rule..

Mixed Slush said :
The point is once again

Andrew Gower thought your money shouldn't affect your progress in Game ... If this is what you wanna uphold ... in-game money/RuneScape-gp ... it should never have been incorperated in RuneScape, but it was.

That was the culprite of all.

With that ... all principles were thrown overboard.

01-Oct-2023 21:48:50

Mixed Slush

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What I expect is for there to be rules with very simple reasons for having them that make sense because this isn't Alice in wonderland.

Selling gold which jagex does through bonds or selling keys to win money means that it doesn't make any difference to the games integrity if u rwt because the game doesn't have any.

That's what I think.

01-Oct-2023 21:55:16

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Since Jagex are the Owner of their Digital Property
' Jagex/JMods are allowed to sell Bonds/Keys/Rune Coins/Membership which returns directly to RuneScape in many forms, where The RuneScape Community may benefit from.

The RWT you are talking about is an outside activity, outside of Jagex's Digital Property, that has a huge extreme negative effect on Jagex's Digital Property and The RuneScape Community as a whole.

Therefore Jagex/JMods may do everything possible to stop this negative effect, negative effect on their Digital Porperty, with a ZeroTolerance Policy to make it stop.

01-Oct-2023 22:10:46

Mixed Slush

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I no.

Also they should stop saying ridiculous nonsensical things about their game having any integrity cos my m8 botted and rwtd in both games and he's still on hs. Also because jagex sell gold themselves.

They should do something about rwt. However they just if u can't beat em join em because there's no game integrity.

01-Oct-2023 22:20:24

Spearmint30
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So, to maybe over-generalize the situation and what I think I'm reading here.... Jagex has stuff. Some of that stuff we're free to use, but they also have other stuff for sale that goes in conjunction in various ways. Their rule is that they don't want us selling their stuff.

Is the claim that Jagex has no integrity because they're asking us not to sell their stuff, so then they shouldn't be allowed to sell their stuff either? If so, is that claim being based on original ideas behind RuneScape from founding members who left the company in 2011 (Andrew), 2012 (Paul), and 2016 (Ian)?

If so, this seems like a ridiculous notion and fruitless discussion given that the Members version of the game was released on 27 February 2002 and is a real-world transaction that results with in-game benefits. This controversy didn't exist until bonds/MTX came about which was an unpopular change, but necessary in several key ways as described in numerous ways by Jagex both before and after these things were introduced.

They knew it wouldn't be popular, and to some people it's still not - and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. RuneScape is a product, though, owned by and regulated independently by the creator of that product - our "rights" or ideas of what's "fair" or what constitutes "integrity" holds no water here as we are all bound by the terms set forth by Jagex and agreed to by us when we signed up an account.

Those terms and rules apply to us as the consumer of the product, but Jagex as the creator of that product and the author and arbiter of said terms and rules get to decide the who, what, when, where, why, and how of the application of those rules and define the level of integrity they wish to see within their product.

By no means do you have to agree with me or with them, though it still stands to be that it is what it is because player integrity and game integrity have some overlap, but are not one and the same.
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02-Oct-2023 00:33:40

Ladyolake
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Andrew Gower did say he made the game so that your outside of game wealth would not affect your in game wealth..

But then in the 15 year documentary..

He said he wished he had did the bond idea instead of stopping trade limits.

so even the founder of Runescape himself, Andrew Gower changed his mind.

Just saying if you want to go quote Andrew Gower from one point in time, go look at
his 2nd thought on the idea in that documentary. The richest person is not who has the most. It is who Needs the least.

02-Oct-2023 06:23:38

Mixed Slush

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Ladyolake said :
Andrew Gower did say he made the game so that your outside of game wealth would not affect your in game wealth..

But then in the 15 year documentary..

He said he wished he had did the bond idea instead of stopping trade limits.

so even the founder of Runescape himself, Andrew Gower changed his mind.

Just saying if you want to go quote Andrew Gower from one point in time, go look at
his 2nd thought on the idea in that documentary.

I'm quoting him from then because that's the time when telling players not to rwt because it will affect game integrity made sense.

If players cheated and bought gold to progress or even if they botted we had the hope they'd one day be banned. That honest non game rule breaking players wouldn't be banned and the game would be fair.

I didn't mind not having free trade at all.

As I've already said the game can now be full of people who don't break any rules but the rules have changed so buying gold cheating and having an unfair advantage is fine which means the game and hs has absolutely no integrity and on top of that it hasn't stopped botting or rwt one little bit.

You should be able to admit to yourself that jagex.made those cheats such as mod jacmob mods. Cheating is winning now.

You can change the rules.

You can't change the meaning of the word integrity.

They have no right to use it.

It's offensive and actually triggering.

02-Oct-2023 08:23:51

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