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Leader Rob

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Since Mod Jack has remained to discuss mining and smithing, can we keep clan stuff in RS Clan discord?

Clan Leader Forums does not really discuss things that are worth hiding from the general clan public and being completely honest, most things told to clan leaders are soon dispersed to their communities and from there to their friends. Now my views relating to things remaining completely within Clan Leader Discord is that the feedback aspect is only being communicated to a one-sided approach, Even if the transcript thread was a 100% fully updated and accurate at the time of post, which any thread attempting to do this would experience difficulty, It cuts off leaders who are not in clan leader discord and therefore partially cuts off the feedback aspect towards the Jagex Moderator.

I know many people here will say "make a thread" but the fact of the matter is that Shaun gathers feedback a lot faster using services such as discord.

It seems very hard to believe that despite clan leaders stating this in the past, Jagex would choose to support this exclusionist approach, where they mainly communicate in an environment where control of access is 100% out of their hands.

I ask you this, will you take the clan feedback and discussion to the official RS Discord Server and allow
All leaders
the chance to provide feedback and contribute to the discussion. At the moment myself and many other leaders are locked out of accessing clan leader discord due to debates where opinion differs and I don't think it is particularly fair that Jagex allows this.

If on the off-chance this thread does not get responded to I will attempt further communications to David's email address, cc'ing in Shaun and Community.

Kind Regards

Rob Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
Lead Developer of The Clan Network
Clan Leader of Bound Links

23-Apr-2018 08:04:44 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2018 08:16:51 by Leader Rob

Oct

2013

J4ron

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The CLF in its current format is imo used to promote clan ideas in a closed, experienced community in order to gather feedback, that is why it's hidden from the public, so that we, as a mature group of experienced leaders can give feedback on any ideas posted, whether they be by a leader, or a moderator. Yes a lot of is stuff that has been discussed in detail in public multiple times before. However in the public, you're not going to get the same kind of feedback that you are going to get from the group of experienced leaders within this forum group.

The only instance I have personally seen since I joined the CLF back in 2014 of 'leaking' was with clan broadcasts. If everything within this forum was shared with everyones clan, and subsequently their clan members friends, you'd expect to see a lot more proposed updates from this forum in the public realm. However, Mod Shauny has always been very open to the public about what he's doing for clans. How is it possible to leak something already in the public realm?

In terms of things being discussed in the leaders discord with a one-sided approach, I'm not entirely sure what you mean here, there are over 200 leaders to give multiple opinions to any ideas posted, and, if shauny needs feedback on a massive idea (ie avatar re-work, or clan broadcasts) there is a very high chance he will pop into the CLF and ask, so that the feedback won't get lost in the fast moving environment that a discord server can sometimes have.

Some transcripts are better than no transcripts, no? Yes the thread won't be up-to-date every second, that's near impossible, but it gives those without discord access, whether that be by choice or punishment, a chance to see worthwhile discussions. Seeing them slightly delayed, is better than not seeing them at all. Owner of

All But Forgotten

NZ/Aus/USA based social clan.

23-Apr-2018 08:53:38

Oct

2013

J4ron

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It doesn't cut-off the feedback though, being slightly delayed. Because you're more than capable of, yes, making a post, in the dedicated thread here (clan discussions) and are more than capable of asking someone to pass the feedback onto those within the discord server. That's not hard to do and I'm sure if the feedback is worthwhile, a lot of people would willingly pass it on for you.

To my knowledge, control of the server is not 100% out of jagex' hands. If they weren't happy with how the server is working they would.
a) Ask to be given ownership. or
b) Up and leave.
Jagex has the controls, just not in the technical sense.
To my knowledge jagex doesn't support an exclusionist approach also. If they wanted an individual unbanned (or banned) from the server, I'm sure the staff within the server would be more than willing to oblige. Because if not, the aforementioned things could happen.

Taking all of the discussions going on and opening it up to 'all leaders' sounds farfetched. To give such feedback, you need experience on everything to do with clans. A lot of people think they have this experience, but not many do. Hence why the CLF exists, as a place for the experienced leaders to share ideas and gather feedback.

Emailing Mod osbourne, shauny and the community team sounds like a spoilt child calling the police on their parents because they wouldn't buy them the latest hipster item.

Of course this is all my opinion, and you being Rob will ignore all of it and keep on having this giant tantrum because you're not getting your own way.

Either way, good luck Owner of

All But Forgotten

NZ/Aus/USA based social clan.

23-Apr-2018 08:53:47

Lyrehca

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Leader Rob said :
Since Mod Jack has remained to discuss mining and smithing, can we keep clan stuff in RS Clan discord?

I ask you this, will you take the clan feedback and discussion to the official RS Discord Server and allow
All leaders
the chance to provide feedback and contribute to the discussion
The Mining and Smithing section in the RS Discord can be opted into by anyone requesting it using the bot. Jagex did not individually assign access based on certain criterion. It was in place pretty much from the outset and involves a major game development.

The section for Clan Improvements you recently saw there was for general input during Game Jam only. It was open to the general public, leaders and non-leaders, even people that are not in a clan.

How would you propose Jagex limit access to actual clan leaders, or more specifically, those with CLF access, instead of anyone that wants to participate?

23-Apr-2018 11:17:44

Leader Rob

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J4ron, Whilst I appreciate the feedback you have given I am going to address some bits individually.

1) Shauny does not always get 100% of ideas from the CLF, Discord provides a dynamic area to build on ideas. He has been known occasionally to post ideas in CLF but that is only the occasional idea smaller ideas generally originate from CLD.

2) regarding the 'leaking' whilst I am not going to name any names here, I do know of leaders that tell every member what is going on relating to clans, some have even been CLD staff in the past but like i said no names.

3) When I say one sided approach, Ignore List, Lisaa and Mackaa at the moment control who has access to that discord, by choosing who is allowed in and who isn't they are also choosing who can contribute to ideas with Shauny which I whole heartedly disagree with. They hold no power at Jagex to even possess that type of ability and banning someone should only ever be a last option and they know that.

4) I agree some transcripts are better than no transcripts, and I am not criticising but more elaborating on the further point of if a member is part of the clan leader forums, they should be allowed in discord and not be expected to read transcripts to a conversation that happened weeks ago.

5) as for the control of the server thing, Jagex would never ask for it. I honestly believe they would up and leave. But Jagex has not control over it.

6) you may have misinterpreted my 'all leaders' statement but then that goes back to the discord, All leaders capable of entering CLF should be able to get into CLD

7) As for the email, why would i not get in touch if I want to provide feedback, I pay my membership here like any other clan leader and I am entitled to give my opinion like any other clan leader. Jagex need to support all leaders views. Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
Lead Developer of The Clan Network
Clan Leader of Bound Links

23-Apr-2018 20:56:19

Leader Rob

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Lyrehca said :
Leader Rob said :
Since Mod Jack has remained to discuss mining and smithing, can we keep clan stuff in RS Clan discord?

I ask you this, will you take the clan feedback and discussion to the official RS Discord Server and allow
All leaders
the chance to provide feedback and contribute to the discussion
The Mining and Smithing section in the RS Discord can be opted into by anyone requesting it using the bot. Jagex did not individually assign access based on certain criterion. It was in place pretty much from the outset and involves a major game development.

The section for Clan Improvements you recently saw there was for general input during Game Jam only. It was open to the general public, leaders and non-leaders, even people that are not in a clan.

How would you propose Jagex limit access to actual clan leaders, or more specifically, those with CLF access, instead of anyone that wants to participate?

Shauny could bring in volunteer mods to rank those that apply on a certain thread, same process as CLD but atleast the discord would be held in an official discord channel Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
Lead Developer of The Clan Network
Clan Leader of Bound Links

23-Apr-2018 20:57:27

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2013

J4ron

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As I said. If the Jmods in the server wanted a user unbanned, I'm certain they would ask, and the servers staff team would happily oblige.

You need to realise every action has a reaction (Newtons third law). You being unable to access a certain discord server is a reaction to your actions. You might not like them, but that's life.

From the outside it looks like because you no longer have power within the server, you're trying everything within your power to get it shut down, or cause un-needed drama around it, henceforth justifying your removal. Because it seems to me that you think it's your way or the highway. If rob can't have it, nobody can.

Just remember, if Jagex didn't like what was happening, they would speak up. Have they spoken up? Only time they did was when you had a tantrum upon being removed, but did they ask the staff to unban you? No, because you'd be back by now if they had. You may keep having this tantrum for years and years but I personally don't see anything changing.

When i got banned here at the CLF I fought and fought to get back in, upto the point i realised it wasn't going to happen. (it only happened that a change of clan curator meant my ban was removed). Perhaps you should wait until a change of server owner and try again

Owner of

All But Forgotten

NZ/Aus/USA based social clan.

23-Apr-2018 23:01:19

Oct

2013

J4ron

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Also just remember, being in the CLF itself is a privilege, a privilege that can be lost. Same goes for a discord server. Just because you have the privilege of being in the CLF, doesn't grant you the automatic privilege to join a discord server.

Just like just because you're a clan owner, doesn't grant you the automatic privilege to join the CLF. Owner of

All But Forgotten

NZ/Aus/USA based social clan.

23-Apr-2018 23:43:39

Leader Rob

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J4ron said :
Also just remember, being in the CLF itself is a privilege, a privilege that can be lost. Same goes for a discord server. Just because you have the privilege of being in the CLF, doesn't grant you the automatic privilege to join a discord server.

Just like just because you're a clan owner, doesn't grant you the automatic privilege to join the CLF.

Newtons third law, I will have to remember that Creator of the Clan Leader Discord & Clan Discord
Lead Developer of The Clan Network
Clan Leader of Bound Links

24-Apr-2018 07:43:04

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2011

Loki

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Edit: Nvm will add later if I remember lol.

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24-Apr-2018 13:49:52 - Last edited on 24-Apr-2018 13:55:09 by Loki