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Padomenes

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So its been confirmed in lore disclosures that Saradomin and Zamorak are not strictly about order/chaos. Saradomin is not a 'god of order/law', nor is Zamorak a 'god of chaos' inherently.

Those are just tools to achieve the values or ideologies they prioritize. Saradomin just sees law/order as the most efficient way but if any other way is better then Saradominists would be revolutionaries just like the myreque fighting as a resistance to achieve their aims.

The ability to even get an army together and lawful authority is probably nothing short of miraculous to people who share the same ideals with Saradomin.

They mentioned Zamorak uses 'survival of the fittest' and harsh means to push people but in all honesty that kind of thing and the 'pushiness to make people do stuff' does not pair well with 'chaos' at all. Its like beating people with a whip for not working fast enough. Chaos would go against 'survival of the fittest' and make it very hard to boss people around to 'create structure'.

Jack on Saradomin:

"Its not for order, its for the sake of good" (Implying it is not order for the sake of order"

"I don't have saradomin's book of rules and principles written down, and i wouldn't want to invent it without consulting the othershis objective is a good and just worldhis method is a set of rules and laws and controlszamorak, by comparison, has no interest in a "good and just world"

Jack on Zamorak:

"the question is how does your meritocracy determine who is best"

"so with zamorak"

"the purpose of society is to enable the best"

"so meritocracy is almost sacred in its significance"

"whereas for saradomin the point of having "the best leader" is to serve society to the best extent possible"

"his objective, if anything, is individual excellence"

"and his method is survival of the fittest"

24-May-2021 02:01:56

Padomenes

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Continued comparisons of Saradomin and Zamorak. I think its pretty clear cut at this point:

"whereas for saradomin the point of having "the best leader" is to serve society to the best extent possible "

"so if you take an educational example”

“saradomin would prefer that everyone were educated to the exact same standard

to ensure that no child falls behind

and he'd prioritise that over allowing exceptional students to attain a higher educational standard”

“Zamorak would do the opposite”

“Zamorak would rather 99 children were illiterate in order to ensure that the best of the group becomes a genius"

In all honesty it really seems like Zaros is the one who is really about 'order for the sake of order' at the cost of anything:

"he'd be more coldly pragmatic"

"he'd doing specific things for specific outcomes rather than trying to increase either the general good or the specific excellence"

"economics is a bad example because he probably wouldn't care

but he'd say something like "GDP will be maximised if 80% of the population are literate, therefore ensure that outcome is attained"

"it wouldn't be based on performance

it would be based on influence

it's definitely the case that if a higher ranking official got murdered that would be a much bigger deal than some beggar disappearing"

"both saradominist and zarosian societies would claim to be meritocratic

and like all meritocracies corruption would hugely affect that"

Saradomin is about serving society, improving collective life quality and governing according to morals. Chaos or non-conventional methods will be used if seen as necessary but order is just seen as the best means at the moment wherever it can be used. Whereas Zaros is about 'logical order, consistency and controls' above all else including morality.

24-May-2021 02:02:27 - Last edited on 24-May-2021 02:45:04 by Padomenes

Kopaka
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...Who is Jack?



Anyway it's quite obvious from titles like 'god of chaos' and 'god of order' that if you don't add more into their bio they are going to be extremely bland and predictable.

I don't think it invalidates those titles.

They're just simplistic.

They don't tell the full story.

Honestly they also would quite reasonably be interpreted as Saradominist propaganda, since Gielinor is for the most part a Saradominist world.

06-Jun-2021 07:28:52

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