RuneScape Forum Archive | Duel Arena Removal Doesnt Work

Miu

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Players do not want to be given preset stats in their duel. They want to duel with their character, not a savefile that is disconnected from their account.

People that want to stake will now instead opt to do so in the wilderness. They will carry gold, set up "staking" events where they duel to the death with their "stakes" in their inventory.

Jagex has not removed staking or dueling, they have actually introduced the potential for MORE scams as these unsafe duels can end up being lures, or run away before the "duel" completes, or find a way to keep their opponent from getting their items. It has created a new market for trust trading by removing the safety and security of the duel arena. That is not to say that the duel arena was without scams, but now the only equivalent is in the depths of the wilderness.

The PvP arena is not a substitute, it does not fulfill the same niche, and it is not what the PvP community wants. It is also not what the PvM community wants. It is a minigame for no one, except people that want to engage in PvP without actually training their account. (Hint, this niche is already fulfilled by Last Man Standing.) For anyone that has put in hours of training their account for the Duel Arena, it is nothing more than an insult.

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06-Jul-2022 17:44:23 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2022 17:45:31 by Miu

Prestor Jeff

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I concur.

I do not have the ability to do raids because I live in a reality where I can't play 30-60 minutes without interruption. Therefore half of the content of this game (which is now completely raids centric) is locked to me. I can do Hydras, Vork, or Zulrah which I can do in minute bursts but the gp/hr is not even remotely comparable.

With the Duel Arena I almost always lost but at least it gave me a fighting chance to get content my life style denied me. With it gone I don't know what to do because there's no way I can compete anymore.

What the reality of this is is Jagex dodging the real world consequences of online gambling regulations (which they have flaunted for 18 years) by slapping a band-aid in a last minute ploy to fool the regulators. Effectively though they're sticking a round peg in a square hole. PvP is not the same as Dueling, LMS is already serving this function, and this content removes the DA and it's associated ilks without even considering the fundamental reason it existed.

This game is out of balance, the new content is not enjoyable to the vast majority of veterans who wanted OSRS over RS3, and the creep has passed the point of critical mass.

Jagex if you want to remove the Duel Arena because of Real World Trade and Real World Liability fine I understand. But if you're going to cut off the last life line for people who can't or don't want your new content to be competitive, at the very least offer a way to obtain those items at the same rate as Raids.

Vorkath 3-4m/hr Zulrah 2-3m/hr Hydra 4-5m Cox 9-11m Tob 11-16

Something seems out of balance here.

06-Jul-2022 22:21:16 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2022 22:21:55 by Prestor Jeff

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2006

Dilbert2001

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It certainly doesn't serve the integrity purpose OSRS cited in the November 2021 Gielinor Gazetter of removing Sand Casino.

Pretty much, it is even worse when we see at least 2 streamers advertising 3rd party staking and gambling sites 24/7 and nobody from OSRS does a thing.

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^ Abandoned!

12-Jul-2022 09:25:29

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2016

Mr Player

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One thing that annoys me the most is that Jagex keeps adding rarity content through TH and Yak track - i.e. chances and encouragement of gambling by buying bonds with irl money... which is something that Jagex wants, right? Money from players...

I understand the need to getting rid of scams and RWT... but removing duel arena does not solve anything, really. It'd be much more clever to get someone from jagex overseeing the gambles at duel arena - and perhaps charge a fee for stake - rather than patching such thing.

There was once a guy tried to lure me to wilderness (before wilderness rework) and he was not successful because I knew what he (and his friends) were about to do. However, I got to know a bit more them. And I guarantee that, even if Jagex patches some glitch/game malfunction, they will always find another way to turn the game around.

I miss Duel arena really. I was not the healthiest content in the game but I think Jagex could've approached the situation much better. Success is 98% hard work, 1% inspiration and 2% attention to detail.

01-Sep-2022 23:45:06

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2006

Dilbert2001

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Mr Player said :
One thing that annoys me the most is that Jagex keeps adding rarity content through TH and Yak track - i.e. chances and encouragement of gambling by buying bonds with irl money... which is something that Jagex wants, right? Money from players...

I understand the need to getting rid of scams and RWT... but removing duel arena does not solve anything, really. It'd be much more clever to get someone from jagex overseeing the gambles at duel arena - and perhaps charge a fee for stake - rather than patching such thing.

There was once a guy tried to lure me to wilderness (before wilderness rework) and he was not successful because I knew what he (and his friends) were about to do. However, I got to know a bit more them. And I guarantee that, even if Jagex patches some glitch/game malfunction, they will always find another way to turn the game around.

I miss Duel arena really. I was not the healthiest content in the game but I think Jagex could've approached the situation much better.

The real issue with Duel Arena is RWT, not exactly gambling. The kind of player to player gambling/RWT through Duel Arena, player run games of chance and such are what the governments trying to bust.

TH and Yak Track aren't even gambling as there is no way to cash anything significantly out for real world values without player trading. Even for "gambling" with real money or prizes cash out like $20,000 in DMM or OSRS membership from Boss Bash Raffle, rest assured, they are under regulations and that's why OSRS has to put up contest rules and forbid children and residents of many anti-gambling countries like Belgium and Netherland to participate. However, they aren't player to player gambling so they can exist.

02-Sep-2022 00:10:08

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2016

Mr Player

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Dilbert2001 said :

The real issue with Duel Arena is RWT, not exactly gambling. The kind of player to player gambling/RWT through Duel Arena, player run games of chance and such are what the governments trying to bust.

TH and Yak Track aren't even gambling as there is no way to cash anything significantly out for real world values without player trading. Even for "gambling" with real money or prizes cash out like $20,000 in DMM or OSRS membership from Boss Bash Raffle, rest assured, they are under regulations and that's why OSRS has to put up contest rules and forbid children and residents of many anti-gambling countries like Belgium and Netherland to participate. However, they aren't player to player gambling so they can exist.

Well, removing Duel arena is has not sorted RWT issue, I can guarantee you that.

As fot TH, there are chances of winning desirable prizes, there is encouragement to buy keys with irl money, so yes, it is gambling, whether you like it or not, the concept is there.

Also, if in certain countries it is forbidden to gamble, Jagex can easily prevent people from those countries from joining w54. Easy. Also, the moment you are willing to lose your stuff, when you step in wilderness, to fight someone else to loot their stuff, that is also person-to-person gambling. Competition is gambling, life is gambling, there are probabilities everywhere in this world to whatever actions you take. Success is 98% hard work, 1% inspiration and 2% attention to detail.

02-Sep-2022 11:19:01

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2006

Dilbert2001

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^^
We are talking about real world laws by real world governments, not what just a couple of users in a forum think what is gambling or not.

TH is not gambling therefore it exist. Duel Arena is not only gambling but also problematic with RWT. From OSRS's Game Integrity - Real World Trading blog:

"Duel Arena RWT

The Duel Arena has been a flashpoint for this toxic behaviour. In fact, 38% of all RWT bans – accounting for thousands of bans per month – stem from there. We’ve heard your feedback and want to make definitive changes that keep the game fun for everyone."

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/game-integrity---real-world-trading?oldschool=1

They removed DA because of RWT. Actually seemingly you knew if the problem of Duel Arena was only gambling, Jagex could have just restricted it to players over 18 and residents of a list of countries where gambling is ok, just like they did with Boss Bash Raffle. The fact they didn't show you the issue with Sand Casino is not just gambling.

02-Sep-2022 15:23:51

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2016

Mr Player

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Farewell, however, as I said removing duel arena isn't going to sort RWT issue.

"38% of all RWT bans – accounting for thousands of bans per month – stem from there (duel arena)".

Following that logic, 100% of RWT bans play RuneScape, why not deleting the whole RuneScape game then? Problem fixed.

It's not because of a few Duel Arena participants that were involved in RWT that all other participants should be affected by duel arena removal. Success is 98% hard work, 1% inspiration and 2% attention to detail.

04-Sep-2022 23:49:18

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