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Mrs Ana

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Real World Trading (RWT) refers to the act of selling items that you do not own for a profit. If you are selling in-game gold, items or services for real-life money, you are real world trading because the items or services (the accounts) are the sole property of Jagex and in doing so you are trying to sell something that you do not possess.

The act of buying a Bond and exchanging it for in-game gold is not considered RWT because you are directly purchasing the Bond from Jagex, whom are the ones that own all of the rights and properties of the game. It becomes a problem when someone -- a player -- tries to profit from merchandise/goods/items/services that belong to a different entity than the one trying to benefit.

Think of this example: you own a farm. Someone steals your crops. Such person then tries to sell those stolen crops for profit. The person is selling something that doesn't belong to them and something that's stolen. Yea, you aren't "stealing" your own items in-game if you sell the for real-life money, but you are breaking the rules by selling third-party property.

You may read more about that here:
https://www.jagex.com/en-GB/terms/rules-of-runescape


15-Mar-2023 18:06:32

LightSupame
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Ya but if you really think about it it's rwt that jagex controls XD your still spending irl money for bonds for gold so technically it would still be rwt just legal in the eyes of jagex cause they are making the money

15-Mar-2023 21:29:33

MatchaPirate
Feb Member 2023

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I feel like it is fine that Jagex does it, this really isn't some gotcha own on them. I would rather buy something like that that could give me in game currency from the company that makes the game because I know that it is a safe transaction. I don't have to worry about going to any scam-y websites and I know when something like that shows up on my bank statment that it isn't fraudulent.

I think EVE online has a similar feature and I liked that too. Imagine being a kid with no access to a visa and having to wait for people to gift you the means to membership vs being able to grow your bank account in game to purchase that membership. This is a win win for every party involved in the purchase and trading of bonds.

15-Mar-2023 21:49:21

Tenebri
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LightSupame said :
Ya but if you really think about it it's rwt that jagex controls XD your still spending irl money for bonds for gold so technically it would still be rwt just legal in the eyes of jagex cause they are making the money


in your sense sure, it is trading real world money for an item ingame.

yes with your basic description sure.

because yes jagex own it all.

i dont know what kind of discussion you want here, so we will just go with the black and white version you want.
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15-Mar-2023 23:22:13

Dilbert2001
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It is very simple actually:

Jagex makes their rules. They can say what is RWT and what is not. They can say what is legal, allowed and what's not.

Perhaps you can look at how OSRS handles 3PC and get a better understanding. When they didn't want 3PCs, they threatened to sue and shut them down, but a year later they allowed them. They were still the very same Runelite and HDOS, but the rules are different.

Same thing in selling bonds. Jagex makes the rules on the same bonds. When they sell them it is legal and not RWT. When the others sell them, it is RWT. It is all about Jagex making their own rules. Now, in a hypothetical scenario some day when Jagex decided to operate like Steam or other NFT based games and allow Bonds to be traded among other players, then they could just change their rules and all of a sudden it would not be RWT anymore. :D

16-Mar-2023 02:45:19 - Last edited on 16-Mar-2023 02:54:10 by Dilbert2001

Zeffirino
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Jagex taking at least a narrow amount of control from gold farmers through bonds is a necessary evil given that the market for this kind of activity is always going to exist.

While it doesn't eliminate the market, it has account security benefits by re-routing those players from dodgy websites to an official process by Jagex.

Numerous players also use bonds as a simple alternative to funding their membership so it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world overrall.

16-Mar-2023 10:13:13

daedlus58

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It is not buying gold because the gold you receive is not from jagex. You have to trade something of value to another player to get that gold and that something is a membership. IF you were to buy x amount of gold for y amount of $, then yes, it would be rwting, but when you buy the bond, you do not know how much gold you will be getting.

18-Mar-2023 15:18:56

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