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Espionage724
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I go speak with Trossa and they seem to have some dialogue to explain why they're standing there which I found kind of cool.

However, when asked about the ring of mushrooms, they brush it off as some random crop, and if asked to reanimate it, they ask a flat 80K. No explanation, no questioning as to what the player even wants with the ring, no hint that Trossa even knows what the ring does or why some random person would walk up to them and be willing to hand over 80K out of nowhere just to reanimate it; nothing. The heck?

Does Trossa not see people teleporting in and out of that ring? They're concerned about Wintertodt, but not an army of who-knows-what coming out of the ring they were quick to reanimate for a seemingly random and large financial gain? Is this not a potential security risk for Arceuus? Does Trossa not detect magic coming from the ring after reanimation? What exactly does 80K cover to a magical floating being willing to reanimate a crop ring on-the-fly?

This is a glaring lore hole. I don't want spoilers please, but perhaps the ring and money is more explained in a lore book or quest? Or is this just a gross 80k money-sink implemented on a lunch break to satisfy a teleport quota to Kourend?

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Trossa

22-Sep-2023 13:40:36 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2023 16:34:13 by Espionage724

Tenebri
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Well he doesnt see many people teleporting out of it. Because the lore is you are the only adventurer. So there will be no one to use it

80k is a fee to make something work and in currency of npcs 80k is huge. Beer is what 1 or 2gp? So yes 80k would be a small fortune imagine how much 80k pints will cost inrl. It costs a maximum of 75k per day to run a whole island. So 80k would cover so much costs if needs be

I see no lore flaw here

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22-Sep-2023 15:24:04 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2023 15:28:15 by Tenebri

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OP, you are thinking too much about lore when you are playing OSRS. OSRS doesn't focus on lore and reasoning. As Mod Ayiza once addressed a similar question on the lore on a lot of things like origins of mobs/items, why can items be just breaking down and be used on other items without lore... he said the answer is just no lore. They just want things to happen the way they happen in OSRS, so there is no reason for a lot of things in OSRS.

Another even more recent example: Mod Ed was asked why the Elder Horn magically appeared and found its way into Sliske's possession in DT2 while previous canonical lore pointed to its location being in the Eastern Land, Mod Ed's answer was they just thought it would be fun and then he mumbled something like... Elder Horn, Forstenhorn... makes sense. Shrug to me, but it is all up to you or the other players to like this kind of "sense".

If you really have to ponder for a reason of why we need to pay this NPC or that NPC, I think the simplest answer is they are just greedy. Perhaps our membership is not enough for those NPC. They just need to charge us extra for value added services. :D

22-Sep-2023 17:25:48 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2023 18:31:02 by Dilbert2001

Espionage724
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Dilbert2001 said :
...Another even more recent example: Mod Ed was asked why the Elder Horn magically appeared and found its way into Sliske's possession in DT2 while previous canonical lore pointed to its location being in the Eastern Land, Mod Ed's answer was they just thought it would be fun and then he mumbled something like... Elder Horn, Forstenhorn... makes sense. Shrug to me, but it is all up to you or the other players to like this kind of "sense".


That sounds like something hardcore lore purist would care about and track. Unless I did that quest chain back-to-back, that doesn't sound like something I'd notice or care about in the moment.

There is some care to the lore of Trossa; they wouldn't have them standing there only to appear to care about WT if that was the case. They could have had them there doing nothing, or not present at all. Half of that NPC was done top-notch. The other half just sounds dumb; the NPC can be as-dense as they want with activating a magical ring, but even that seems silly considering who and where they are. What is my character doing not questioning it? I honestly expected a chat option to question what they would want 80K for since it's such an abrupt thing, but nope ok here you go?

This just seems like a rushed oversight. I would like to see this fixed, but truthfully I'll probably never talk to that guy again.

Eblis for the Ancient Staff is a perfect example how to implement a gp-sink in some kind of explainable manner. It's an ancient heirloom that they couldn't possibly part with, outside of that magical 80K number. It's a valuable item and Eblis wants paid; nothing ground-breaking or story-furthering.

Maybe lore is the wrong word; it's immersion. I felt immersed in giving Eblis 80K for a staff. My immersion was broken hard with the fairy ring purchase; I was ready to go kill some Greater Demons after figuring out how to get to the Catacombs, before dealing with this insult :p

22-Sep-2023 20:22:42

Dilbert2001
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Espionage724 said :

There is some care to the lore of Trossa; they wouldn't have them standing there only to appear to care about WT if that was the case. They could have had them there doing nothing, or not present at all. Half of that NPC was done top-notch. The other half just sounds dumb; the NPC can be as-dense as they want with activating a magical ring, but even that seems silly considering who and where they are. What is my character doing not questioning it? I honestly expected a chat option to question what they would want 80K for since it's such an abrupt thing, but nope ok here you go?

This just seems like a rushed oversight. I would like to see this fixed, but truthfully I'll probably never talk to that guy again.



Well, if you see Quest Speedrunning being a hugggeeee content in OSRS, and all the blinking arrows pointing and showing you where to click in a quest, you should know OSRS doesn't take quests and lore based content, that are supposed to be very important to the typical MMORPG genre, seriously.

The "rush" isn't an oversight, and truthfully OSRS is no longer a MMORPG for typical MMORPG players.

23-Sep-2023 17:52:24 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2023 17:52:59 by Dilbert2001

Tenebri
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Espionage724 said :

This just seems like a rushed oversight. I would like to see this fixed, but truthfully I'll probably never talk to that guy again.



how is it rushed and how is it an oversight?

what would fix it in your opinion?

its already been explained
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24-Sep-2023 10:43:01

Espionage724
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Tenebri said :
Espionage724 said :

This just seems like a rushed oversight. I would like to see this fixed, but truthfully I'll probably never talk to that guy again.



how is it rushed and how is it an oversight?

what would fix it in your opinion?

its already been explained


The issue is no immersive explanation as to why Trossa needs 80K, and it makes no sense for a magical being to treat it like some grass and to ask 80K to re-grow it. It's a problem because I as a player expected more dialogue and something to help Kourend feel more like an environment, hence this thread. It feels rushed because Trossa has good, explanation dialogue for why they're standing there for WT, and nothing for the fairy ring dialogue.

The fix (imo) would be to introduce a 3rd dialogue option to allow the player to question what Trossa needs 80K for. I'd like to think my character isn't as-dumb as the NPC is being in this case and I want to know why they (the NPC) feel the service is worth 80K. If they want to refurnish their living room and don't care, whatever, but I want to know.

Alternatively, re-write the entire dialogue and lore to make the whole interaction make a bit more sense. If this honestly needs more explanation, I feel you're not trying to approach it from an immersive/lore view. Space-bar pushers would presumably be the only ones against this as more dialogue would slow them down.

If the OSRS team didn't care about lore, Zeah wouldn't have been re-worked and improved since launch. I can tell someone cares (or cared at some point), and I want to see that care extended to this single NPC.

24-Sep-2023 13:33:43

Tenebri
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Why does the 80k need an explanation???

People need money to survive if the npc is going to provide a service then yes they get paid for their labour in doing it....

Did you not read my first post?

It seems you are being overly pedantic about something that has a very simple explanation

sometimes it just as boring explanation and not one with a deep meaning.
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24-Sep-2023 23:09:54 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2023 18:10:06 by Tenebri

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"The issue is no immersive explanation as to why Trossa needs 80K, and it makes no sense for a magical being to treat it like some grass and to ask 80K to re-grow it."


I think Mod Ayiza's brutally honest comment (Page 1, Post 3) already told us OSRS is not as immersive and makes sense as some MMORPG players will like.

If you have to pick on OSRS's being non-immersive and doesn't make sense, there are plenty of better examples, like why some OSRS mobs like Zuk are so stupid to spawn a barrier for us to safe spot? :D

25-Sep-2023 18:00:08 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2023 18:24:59 by Dilbert2001

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