RuneScape Forum Archive | croesus public inst survey

May

2007

J R Kerr

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Possible solution first: move the timing of the mid energy attack mechanic for croesus from 2:25 to 1:35? I'm asking. I want to discuss how tenable a solution that might be. I am not sure.

extra credit: it'd be nice if the torch cleared stickies from your bag like logs for the miners who have hammer equipped. the torch is perfect. the problem is the hammer, but... the torch can be the solution to that too maybe.

Okay, so, I have done about 700 kc on croesus now, and I love it. Its awesome. I started with grouping private instances for 8 man and had my daughter join. She got a torch, I assisted her to make it (I dont know if I needed to), and she wields it proudly. I read her the lore for sana, and we're both ravensworn forevar!!111 Then she has to come and go from it because of home school during plague things we do with our pod, so in her absence I did a whole bunch of w98, w48, and w2 public instances and I have, after many hundred games observed a phenomenon with the optics.

The best way to make public run, or what evolves because of how it looks, is that we call things like "short" or "long" for one or two corners, and when there is time between mechanics we say "mid ea 225" to try and teach new players just joining to be on mid for the energy/stickie attacks. Allows us to see who needs to know about logs, and on average we win those at about +80% enrage at 4 minutes or under. If we aren't teaching then enrage builds so fast games can end as soon as 2 minutes because of new players being eaten and spiking enrage which is hard to notice when running for the mark at 225.

Then the complicating factor is that godforsaken reddit and its cohort of 50k posters who want to wreck the game for 2 million players who can read reddit, but hate reddit, have all this crap there elevating BAD ideas that we hear from every ___ing ____ian "its been proven" and why they want to be the first of x players to pray at a statue, so they prayer load the statues...

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05-Oct-2021 20:19:52

May

2007

J R Kerr

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so they prayer load the statues... like they start the prayer right after restoring and then click off. On w48 this ALWAYS means the 4 statues of public instance are loaded to like 90% pray when the mid lands, and after mid they all lightning strike at once.

The slower players who nonetheless read some shit on reddit will give up and try other worlds, like w2, or w98, and try to be the first praying person, which loads the statues, and then if someone new, or on their phone misclicks... then they witchhunt brutally to impugn the person who made the last mistake (making a racket to distract from their own first mistake loading that statue on a public instance). I have tried to intervene most of the time and do the Marcus Aurelius thing "if you can't blame yourself then blame no one" and explain over and over to new players how, when, where the evolving optics of public demands they do stuff... but...

now my daughter wants to jump in when she can and do public, so I do have a slight personal interest in detoxifying the messages from players doing the prayerloading and witchhunting. She says its been fun so far, and she is all smiles, no one is auditing her while she has that torch in her hand, right, but... idk... I have to imagine someone else in HLF has a daughter too, and maybe they didnt get a torch, so I'd like for our kids to be able to play in a slightly less witch hunt environment. especially public. like in private one guy used "inspect" and was like "hey her levels are low" and I was "dont audit my daughter she has 50 kc and you have 0" and he "wait what" and then we were good for like 10 games. In public they cant inspect her, which is super cool, and makes it a lot of fun for her to work on her gathering skills in relative peace.

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05-Oct-2021 20:20:20

May

2007

J R Kerr

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full confession: I have lost my temper 3 times. Otherwise I have really tried to be as gracious a teacher as possible, and one of the best feelings I have ever got from runescape, and man... I LOVE doing it, is to step off the mid energy and clear someone else's feet from the stickies which absolutely means I lose points and they know it... and I can feel their gratitude. Thats the coolest thing. I love this boss. I love it.

caveat: I really don't want to brook whining about drop table, humble bragging "so easy," or that which is just shots at me for being polarizing in other threads. please reply but please reply on point to the two possible solutions.

1. move mid energy mechanic from 2:25 to 1:35 or so?

2. should the torch work from inside your bag to clear stickies like logs?

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05-Oct-2021 20:20:33

May

2007

J R Kerr

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I wrote too much perhaps already, but I want to clarify why this evolution of policy occurs in public instances. Its because in the fantastic chaos of it, outside private instance 8 or 4 man, players will spend their time gathering resource they don't get to contribute, and they will want to share the contribution points of the mid energy clearing. Thats a kinda good thing. If it moves to a time when prayer would be almost impossible or... if praying wasnt possible until banishment of mid stickies... thatd be a slightly nicer environment for public.

edit/add: so I guess thats a third question

3. should -public- not private instances disable praying on statues with a message like "a mysterious force blocks your prayers" until the mid energy has been cleared. no reason to slow down private instances, but public might be better with that addition.

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05-Oct-2021 20:31:34 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2021 20:49:40 by J R Kerr

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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One thing about that sticky right before middle. It's nice to clear people, but they are already doomed to failure. They won't be able to get much reward anyways. It's better for you to just get yours.

I know that sounds bad, but that is what I am thinking when people try to free me. Why should they also be punished? I already clicked to free myself anyways.

This is also why I haven't gone back in lately. People are collecting resources at a rate far beyond what I think is possible, so it's basically standing around waiting to help with statues then go middle.

The entire time knowing this evil sticky will decide if I should even bother trying to play. More often than not the answer is NO.

05-Oct-2021 20:51:42

May

2007

J R Kerr

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hrm. well I hope you change yer mind a little. I really don't think we're creating new "pc prods" here. Croesus fighters are, in theory, phone players, and if we can't keep them... we're doomed.

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06-Oct-2021 00:52:37

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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700 kc is a lot. You should know as well as anyone. Can you see any reason we don't get a bank in the instance?

It never fails in public. I go in there to observe and I see a role is needed. Great. But I return from the bank in a different instance and there are like 4 pros camped there already.

There is no way to carry multiple skilling outfits. Also, do you see any real reason the resources we gather don't stack? I keep getting charms and memory shards so the first few rounds inventory space is tight, until I use a couple restore pots.

There is no such thing as banking and then return to the same instance.

06-Oct-2021 02:28:43

May

2007

J R Kerr

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yeah hunh. just right click the gate and "rejoin" down at bottom of list. you can rejoin a good public instance. its rad af. I been doin that all week.

like yesterday... first game of the day I walk in and these 0 kc dudes are goin for it with the first 5 guys who started the instance and they're not winning. I stood on balcony and one green dot after another showed up on balcony with me... all friends made playin croesus, and they say "mornin kerr" and "well they might not make it" and I said in there "I admire their pluck" and next thing was a "lol kerr" from a white dot on balcony who became a green dot within the hour. we were all chompin at the bit to help... and on the next game we started a streak of perfect (for w2) wins that lasted my whole vis aura 2 hours. the guys we helped to win their first got really good really quick too.

yer right about the complication of adaptability and that chest not bein a bankable one like ed, maybe, but same time true... I think it has to be that way so they don't stand up there fletching and hoggin space in the instance without playin.

my load out for it is
1. charos clue carrier on shoulder for when prosper procs
2. goe - seren spirits might as well
3. pontifex/hsri toggle (double toadflax hell yeah)
4. gatherers cape with fish/mine perks (boost from it at end for 1500s)
5. magic butterfly net in hand, volcanic trapper set
6. sana's

fyr

torch in hand, not hammer, hammer in bag for if core is a mining core at end
7. lv 20 crys ax, pick, and rodomatic in bag (hone6 dont proc for the crys rod)

...and then I confess Im still doin a wrong. a bottle of wp+++ loads out in my bag I know not to bother drinking, but I aint swapped that for one of the extremes yet like hunter cause I aint got any bull horns.

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06-Oct-2021 14:40:52 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2021 14:56:19 by J R Kerr

May

2007

J R Kerr

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if yer hlf and wanna help... we hit hunt so so so much harder than any of them can. hunt long will be done before wc short like 90% of the time if one of us does it.

the hardest gig for them to get done is fish long.

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06-Oct-2021 14:58:56

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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Awesome, I never thought to try clicking rejoin for a public. Such a simple thing I guess.

I also didn't consider people would waste spots by skilling at the bank. That is why I asked you.

I try to avoid fishing because I am 120, but I guess I can justify it because I am not 200 mil.

One thing about the new potions, I wish they would actually announce the new potions when they become available. IF we don't already know about them it is hard to find information.

06-Oct-2021 15:48:28

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