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Genuisdragon
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Now I'll probably receive some backlash from this but just hear me out. We all know Zuk is a very challenging boss with the main reward being the kiln cape upgrades. The idea I have is that the very 1st stone should be given on one's very 1st kill on Zuk no matter what (any future igneous stones have to be earned without leaving or dying during the fight like normal, there's no change to unlocking hard mode and no change to the combined cape and doesn't count towards boss log). To make this work you could have it be that the stone must be used on the kiln of the combat style you used, a one time use mode just meant to get the stone (this would result in no drops from the fight and can't be done again), or just a normal mode fight and after it you get the stone. This idea originated from the trimmed completionist cape now requiring "the reaper crew" achievement. Let's face it even just one small upgrade like a Zuk cape would make the fight against him easier to learn for players who want to get into bossing.

26-Aug-2023 00:25:29 - Last edited on 26-Aug-2023 20:17:31 by Genuisdragon

Genuisdragon
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Tenebri said :
whats wrong with practice?

What's wrong with giving players who don't have 100s of hours to learn one boss or billions of gp to get BIS perks/decent high end gear/or for multiple attempts at a high end boss a reward. Most players are not high end PvMers and the constant addition of high end content won't help the game at all with new player retention. Besides you would still need to learn the boss for the other 3 igneous stones, to unlock hard mode, and unlock the ability to combine the 4 capes into the BIS cape. All my idea is to let players get one stone for their very 1st Zuk, what's wrong with that.

27-Aug-2023 00:52:03

Tenebri
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Genuisdragon said :
Tenebri said :
whats wrong with practice?

What's wrong with giving players who don't have 100s of hours to learn one boss or billions of gp to get BIS perks/decent high end gear/or for multiple attempts at a high end boss a reward. .

thats a gross exaggeration. why do people always jump to "we need bis gear + hundreds of hours"



there are guides out there using t80 gear.
https://youtu.be/CrQwj4kPgbY?si=VxfRcelo68dtLT7x


heres one using necromancy which seems to be easier than mage etc
https://youtu.be/oEBw35-A1IU?si=lzCDt0Geg3NVLvvM


this is a game, not everything is going to be easy. if it was. this game would be boring AF.

you want literally the BIS gear to be easy. thats not what BIS gear should be. BIS gear should be a challenge.
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28-Aug-2023 11:32:11 - Last edited on 28-Aug-2023 11:36:07 by Tenebri

Genuisdragon
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Tenebri said :
Genuisdragon said :
Tenebri said :
whats wrong with practice?

What's wrong with giving players who don't have 100s of hours to learn one boss or billions of gp to get BIS perks/decent high end gear/or for multiple attempts at a high end boss a reward. .

thats a gross exaggeration. why do people always jump to "we need bis gear + hundreds of hours"



there are guides out there using t80 gear.
https://youtu.be/CrQwj4kPgbY?si=VxfRcelo68dtLT7x


heres one using necromancy which seems to be easier than mage etc
https://youtu.be/oEBw35-A1IU?si=lzCDt0Geg3NVLvvM


this is a game, not everything is going to be easy. if it was. this game would be boring AF.

you want literally the BIS gear to be easy. thats not what BIS gear should be. BIS gear should be a challenge.
Mod Elena is a mod for Old School not Runescape 3 which is the version of Zuk this post is talking about.
The first video you linked the players is using greater chain which last time i checked was about 700m. While TheRsGuy is not the best example to use as he is a top end PvMer. A new player won't be able to replicate this. And while I'm still looking for the post one of the RS3 mods has stated that high end gear shouldn't be skill locked. You're acting like I think a igneous stone should be given out for every kill which is not what I'm saying just one's very first (if they haven't gotten one yet).

30-Aug-2023 23:24:40 - Last edited on 30-Aug-2023 23:25:40 by Genuisdragon

Tenebri
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Genuisdragon said :

Mod Elena is a mod for Old School not Runescape 3 ).

yes but her point is still valid. it doesnt change what she said.


Genuisdragon said :

The first video you linked the players is using greater chain which last time i checked was about 700m. While TheRsGuy is not the best example to use as he is a top end PvMer. A new player won't be able to replicate this. .

it still doesnt change what she is posting to be useful. it is still achievable with out it. she is using t80 gear, not bis.

yes rs guy is a top end pvmer, he knows what he is doing, so maybe take the advice he is giving? it is doable with necro. many new players use his guides. its why he makes them

no you wont be able to replicate it asap. but with guess what.... practice you will be able to. thats how he got to how he was, he practiced.


Genuisdragon said :
You're acting like I think a igneous stone should be given out for every kill which is not what I'm saying just one's very first (if they haven't gotten one yet).

not once have i implied that.

you are saying you cant do it with out bis gear, ive given you 2 examples where that isnt the case.
you just went 'i cant replicate that' which is not helpful to yourself. its just an excuse at this point. try it. dont just automatically go 'no i cant do it' practice. the rs guy didnt do it on his first attempt. neither did i. but with each fail you learn something. and with that you eventually get it. and it doesnt require top end gear (as shown) it doesnt require greater chain, especially now it can be done with necro (which is easier than mage a lot less input)

if you can kill zuk even with leaving etc. then youve learn each wave to be do able. then its a case of doing it all at once. because that is the point of all tzhar callenges. its the whole thing that is what gets you reward


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31-Aug-2023 00:32:07 - Last edited on 31-Aug-2023 00:40:55 by Tenebri

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