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Adam Who
Jun Member 2007

Adam Who

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I want to continue playing the way I have played for over 15 years. I'll take a rollback too since your stupid update I deleted a ton of stuff I want back. I can't overstate how angry the jagex account update makes me. My blood is boiling over this blatant attempt to force player behaviour

28-Oct-2023 15:25:40

Hypoalonemia
Oct Member 2022

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I also dont really want a Jagex account. I can see why they want everything in one place but I’ve gone 20 years with a secure account. Frankly based off this past year I don’t have a lot of faith in Cloud based cyber security and keeping my account separate just feels MORE secure.

I don’t have multiple accounts that need to be put together under one file but tbh it doesn’t seem like doing that in the first place screams “WE UNDERSTAND ACCOUNT SECURITY”

But thats all just my opinion. I would rather not make a jagex account please and thank you.

28-Oct-2023 21:35:11

Kat Stryke

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Some aspects of this looming update I do like, such as:

- the ability to make longer passwords.
- the ability to use special characters in passwords.
- the addition of case sensitive passwords.

TBH, these features should have been included from the start. These changes would make it harder for someone to guess your password correctly.

However, let us face facts - you can have the longest, most complicated password possible. If you are still dumb enough to click on a bad link to a phishing site, you will still get hijacked. All your fancy added "security" will mean nothing. You still have to be smart.

With the "All your eggs in one basket" approach, if a hacker gets into your Jagex Account, they will have ALL your accounts, not just the one they hacked. Impossible, you say? I am not convinced.

I do not mind having to log in using an E-mail address. That is what I have used since I started. The needless complication of fetching verification codes simply to log in and play is ridiculously tedious, and frankly I find it insulting. As if we all are hapless children incapable of securing our accounts on our own without Mama Jagex to net-nanny us through a series of obstacles put in our path in order to keep our accounts safe from ourselves.

I would have no objections if conversion to a Jagex Account was optional - added protection for those who feel it is not safe for them to use the internet without supervision. Some of us are grown-ups who know what we are doing, thank you. I have been playing these type of games for a long time. I have never been hacked. Never.

I find it difficult to believe our accounts will be perfectly safe, and any issues with the migration will be easily resolved when it has been stated this is a one-way conversion, with no possibility of restoring our character back to a RuneScape Account. They may not want to do it, but I do not buy that it cannot be done. Either our data is safe, or it is not.
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29-Oct-2023 04:43:41

Ambro08
Aug Member 2008

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I too am very very upset with the Jagex account forced update. I can hardly get my thoughts in order to make a coherent post about this. I have purposely avoided all the extra's they have offered to entice players to create a Jagex account this summer. I have been playing for over 15 years without issue; even taking a long 6 year break from the game. I don't think its safer to force me to accept an email code to play. That sets me up to phishing sites who are aware of the new system setup. I just want to click login and play... The Jagex update post itself doesn't make it clear if I will be forced to set up the 2FA or if I can log into my account as normal. (Edit: seen that the forced email code to play is required) I actually hate to say it but I might just not have an account after November 7th. It hurts me to say that cause I have invested a lot of time into Ambro.

Edit: Does this mandatory Jagex account only apply to those players using the Jagex launcher? Or does it also apply to those players whom are still using the stand alone RuneScape launcher client?

29-Oct-2023 19:59:18 - Last edited on 30-Oct-2023 00:23:07 by Ambro08

XSlay4DeathX
Mar Member 2007

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Linking all accounts into one? Jagex has clearly 'lost it' in regards to security since they nerfed JAG.

@Ambro08, I too will not 'weaken' my account by orders of a company that clearly puts our 'time' on a backburner. Lets hope they forget about that launcher and keeps working/OR limitations arise to prevent blocking our old sign ins.

On the bright side of things, Jagex is losing players, we do have voice at the end of the day.

The future is not on Jagex's side. No point warning them, "maybe they deserve it" for putting us players on the back burner, only to then 'burn' themselves financially ;)

30-Oct-2023 19:27:37

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

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Hypoalonemia said :
I also dont really want a Jagex account. I can see why they want everything in one place but I’ve gone 20 years with a secure account. .


and now you can have an even more secure account with the jagex account feature.

the way people hack / scam etc gets better with technology, the security needs to keep up. this is that
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30-Oct-2023 23:09:36

Applejuiceaj
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I think there are a few misconceptions to address here that may provide a bit of context behind what Jagex is trying to do here.

The RuneScape Account System has its flaws. While its been working for the past 20+ years, the system itself is exactly that, a 20 year old system. When it was first created, there weren't that many examples or standards when it came to online accounts so it was very simple. It has had a number of changes over the years, but the core of the system has remained the same. Sometimes to fix the flaws of a very old system the best thing to do is to start fresh, which is what Jagex is doing.

Some of the current flaws of the system include (but are not limited to):

- No support for more complex passwords - given this hadn't been changed sooner, it is safe to assume there is some kind of technical limitation as to why they couldn't (which in itself shows the system as is had flaws).

- Manual recovery is a thing - people have gamed that system over the years to get into accounts that aren't theirs, and that isn't a good thing.

- 2 Factor Auth can be bypassed if a hijacker gets access to the email address registered to the account. They can recover the account through the email, and then receive an email to disable the RuneScape Authenticator.

- Logins go through a number of different places and each acts differently (RuneScape client, Old School client, website). Example, up until a few years ago the website was not protected by the authenticator. The website was never protected by JAG, nor were Jagex's other products that used RuneScape accounts at the time (e.g., Old School, Funorb and RSC). Not all login portals can employ the same type of protections against malicious individuals and attacks.

31-Oct-2023 01:41:34

Applejuiceaj
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Jagex Accounts give a clean slate. They won't be foolproof (phishing will always be a thing for example, its hard to protect against giving someone all of your information in real time after all), but they allow for an opportunity to implement a new system that is up to today's standards instead of continued band-aiding of a legacy system.

Realistically, this is no different than your local bank setting up a new online banking system and requiring everyone to re-register to continue using online banking.

With the above in mind, the concern about not wanting mandatory multi-factor authentication doesn't make much sense. I get that its a major change compared to RuneScape accounts, that it may seem annoying to have to enter either an emailed code or a code generated from an auth app on every login, however the reality is you aren't entering your information anywhere near as often as you do with a RuneScape account. The Jagex Launcher remembers your Jagex Account information so unless you log out of the launcher entirely (e.g., because you are using a shared computer) or don't start the launcher within 30 days, you shouldn't have to keep entering your information. Since I set up my Jagex Account earlier this year, I have logged into the Jagex Launcher twice on each of my 2 computers - once at initial setup, and once when a launcher update required everyone to re-log in (launcher updates after that one have not). As a regular user of the website, I typically have to reauthenticate once every 2 weeks or so.

The other thing to consider with not needing to log in every time is that if you are presented with a login screen, it should cause you to sit and think about why you are being asked to login. Did you try and go to a secure section of the site, or have you gone to a phishing area?

31-Oct-2023 01:41:38

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