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Is this update going to be considered or was the whole idea benched? Been playing normal game mode with few friends and we're restricting ourselves since it's not implemented in game. If anyone has any information on this let me know, thanks.

29-Apr-2022 16:21:59

Dilbert2001
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GIM simply sucks. We already have IM grouping via Lootshare and Coinshare worlds for a long time, and they are going to be able to group in DG in days.

We also have a full featured Clan Citadel for IMs with the like minds.

I don't think we need anything else specific to IM, especially GIM.

29-Apr-2022 17:05:28

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Hopefully it does not happen, we do not need to divide the community anymore than it already is. Thank you.
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29-Apr-2022 20:32:22

Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001 said :
GIM simply sucks. We already have IM grouping via Lootshare and Coinshare worlds for a long time, and they are going to be able to group in DG in days.

We also have a full featured Clan Citadel for IMs with the like minds.

I don't think we need anything else specific to IM, especially GIM.

Update, and proof that OSRS GIM sucks so much that it is being repurposed to so sort of how IM Grouping has been working in RS3 for years starting May 25, 2022:

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/group-ironman-changes--group-boss-bash?oldschool=1

In 9 days, OSRS GIM will be not much difference functionally than what we have been having in RS3 for years. The only different is OSRS with RWT Raffle mechanics in GIM handing out free membership which has real world values, but not RS3.

I am glad RS3 never wasted 4 years of development time on GIM like OSRS did.

16-May-2022 16:11:59

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Dilbert, you realize dinging Old School for holding what is essentially a giveaway for Group Ironmen attempting the games bosses doesn't equate to Real World Trading when all Jagex is asking players to do is attempt the bosses in question, right?

Right?

It's also incredibly asinine to argue Old School alone is guilty of Real World Trading being normalized by Jagex when RS3 was the first game to allow players to purchase bonds and then sell them on the Grand Exchange for RSGP, and Old School players had to eventually bite that bullet in exchange for allowing Old School to become a Free-to-Play game. Not to mention, only Ironmen in RS3 get to avoid having Treasure Hunter shoved in their faces, which promotes even more opportunities for RS3 players to get ahead using their own money.

Something something, remove the plank from your eye before removing the toothpick from your buddy's.

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Back on the topic of GIM - I would agree with Dilbert and those above in that it seems like RS3 has a lot of the infrastructure in place (LS, CS, etc.) to promote what does equate to, as Dilbert pretty inelequently put it, Old School's "Unranked" GIM experience.

Perhaps sharing some specific things Lootshare and Coinshare don't cover alone may bring about more understanding?
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16-May-2022 19:38:34 - Last edited on 16-May-2022 19:46:07 by H 1 L D A

Dilbert2001
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^^
Giveaways of something of real world values is real world trading, at least this has been the stance of what the users of these RSOF have been taking since their argument is real value status of players should have no relationship to how Jagex's games should be played.

I never said anything about Jagex involving themselves in real world trading is something "guilty". I have no problem with Jagex real world trading at all. I even expect them to look into play to earn or NFT.

"Something something, remove the plank from your eye before removing the toothpick from your buddy's."


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I don't know what plank and toothpick you are talking about. Perhaps the toothpick is TH and Runecoins and Bond MTX is the plank in this case. Jagex making real world money with bond is not a problem but when they do it with TH or Runecoins then they are guilty? I always take the same stance. Bonds, TH, Runecoins, raffle, giveaways are all equally fine to me.

As for GIM in RS3? Grouping has always been fine to me but bank sharing is just game breaking. See how OSRS is broken with GIM? Essentially GIM has died in OSRS half a year ago already and nobody wanted to stay in empty groups just for the Hiscores. OSRS GIM is just a total farce.

16-May-2022 21:03:23

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What is the Old School Group Ironman player giving Jagex to participate in their giveaway that is of any material (meaning that must it consist of actual matter) value?

If the RSOF are going to call an exchange of someone's time playing the game for a chance to win lifetime membership "real world trading" - then it's really not worth mentioning what is and isn't real worth trading at all. F2P players are trading their time playing the game in exchange for Jagex providing them their service. By your (or as you put it, the Forums') definition - that Freeloading Freddy is actually an RWTer. Every interaction with RuneScape a player makes with the game is real world trading in that instance.

All Jagex wants is for its players to engage with the content they made over there - and are using free membership as an incentive.

All of us know Jagex can make mistakes. It's their pair of games! They're allowed to develop them as they see fit. Sometimes RuneScape 3 gets it right the first time and Old School has to come around - sometimes its the other way around. Sometimes Jagex just whiffs altogether, and occasionally, we're all winners. C'est le vie!

My point - ultimately - was that if Group Ironman was even promised for Rs3 (I can't recollect when it was), then it will likely follow the same restrictions regular ironmen do in that they can't use TH keys or Runecoins - which I would say are certainly more "aggressively pushed" upon mainscape accounts in RuneScape 3 with in-game advertising and whatnot.

No. It's fine to buy cosmetics with RuneCoins - I do so personally. Yes, I dislike the idea of purchasing in-game advantages through Treasure Hunter - but that doesn't hold any relevance to this thread. I was just bringing up that it's there because...

Your post came off as if you were branding RWTing as something Old School is infamous for - and quite often, it seems like you take the time to print out Old School's shortcomings. If I was wrong I apologize.
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17-May-2022 01:27:46

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(cont.)

How is sharing a group storage a game breaking situation? (Genuine question - I can't say I'm all that familiar...) A main account has access to an auction house that allows them to purchase whatever item they want for sale without working for it so long as somehow they are able to fork over the cash that's being asked for... but that's not game breaking to most players.

The common adage for Ironmen is that 'Ironmen stand alone...' and the concept of Group Ironmen is that they centralize their gameplay between members of their specific group - essentially taking RuneScape, and making it the classic LAN party game you typically play on console with your closest pals.

All trades? Just members of their group - not in the game currently (to my understanding - I don't know if the lending system is still in Rs3, but that seems like a useful tool that already exists.) Dungeoneering? Only with other Ironmen accounts as of today.

That's a great topic to address, Dilbert, because that may be what OP was wanting news on. Still really curious as to how a shared bank is game-breaking in a game mode where you and a few others are working as a team.
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