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Nanashi
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Bots are already a problem
Economy is already damaged

This update would see an influx of accounts much like the golden phat fiesta, yes I get that each account will bring in its own revenue from membership and also boost the statistics at the key point of the year to power into the next from a business point of view

But the main player base are the ones who will take the hit as we will see an influx of mid to high level accounts many of which will be used for gold farming, transaction mules or just straight up sold on the rs black market

With a peak of x4 xp in 3 months given the rates you can currently achieve already even with complete afk gameplay, you could basically run multiple accounts and say for example pop out a bunch of maxed combat, 96+ herb, 92+ prayer accounts ready to be sold as entry grade PVM accounts

we cant avoid to acknowledge that this is a known issue already and I feel this update will cause a considerable impact pretty much due to the fact you keep the account and items gained


Feedback:
- Make the worlds accessible for peoples currently owned accounts with membership etc, the world itself would be separate from the others due to the resets so similar to logging into OSRS your account will be fresh

- Make the rewards that you receive from the end of the season still carry back to the main game, can even still be tradable as there still has to be motivation to play it but also make it so some rewards are untradeable and account bound so people can flex their hard work to others without people thinking it was just bought

- I fully appreciate that money doesn't grow on trees and a business needs to keep thriving to expand so why not much like the yak track and every other temporary event, make it so you can buy access to these worlds, be it with bonds or even completely separate via the website, would be easy to add a tab to the fancy new launcher, even as a drop down in the mobile app ||
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16-Aug-2022 15:46:20 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 15:48:19 by Nanashi

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16-Aug-2022 16:47:42 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 17:21:31 by Tren

Nanashi
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Dilbert2001 said :
How is xp an impact when every member regardless of levels and other character progress can participate and obtain them on a leveled playing field?

the mode lasts 3 months, it has to be a new account with new membership

yes the idea is good but the part where after that 3 months those accounts become part of the main game with our current economy and playerbase means this event will be swarmed with gold/account farmers, alot like the golden party hats were where you could get 1 per account so you would have people farming them out on multiples

only this will be worse as the things that will be farmed are accounts themselves, with increased rates of gameplay in that 3 months you can max out multiple types of accounts, 99's are very easy to power out these days and can be even done afk regardless of the level playing field

not against the mode itself, i am against it resulting in a win for gold farmers etc ||
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16-Aug-2022 17:18:47

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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Nanashi said :
Dilbert2001 said :
How is xp an impact when every member regardless of levels and other character progress can participate and obtain them on a leveled playing field?

the mode lasts 3 months, it has to be a new account with new membership

yes the idea is good but the part where after that 3 months those accounts become part of the main game with our current economy and playerbase means this event will be swarmed with gold/account farmers, alot like the golden party hats were where you could get 1 per account so you would have people farming them out on multiples

only this will be worse as the things that will be farmed are accounts themselves, with increased rates of gameplay in that 3 months you can max out multiple types of accounts, 99's are very easy to power out these days and can be even done afk regardless of the level playing field

not against the mode itself, i am against it resulting in a win for gold farmers etc

I am talking about the Golden Phats you seem to be complaining about.

There are numerous ways Jagex can set everybody on the same level playing ground regardless of levels. If they weren't doing the FSW thing, they would still be doing other things like Glden partyhats, Green Santa, Balloons event etc for everybody regardless of levels.

Levels is the least problem to the economy as most of the meaningful items are obtained with SKILLS not in the sense of levels and xp but the actual capabilities of the players to kill high enraged Zamorak, Telos and such, as well as the abilities to do the likes of Croesus and Big Game Hunter. Having just the levels alone but not the actual abilities and know hows certainly won't help any new or returning players to best existing players, thus hardly any issue to the actual economy. On the contrary, when the incoming players are willing to consume, the merrier the existing producing players when they look at the economy.

16-Aug-2022 17:32:29 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 17:41:05 by Dilbert2001

Nanashi
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Dilbert2001 said :


I am talking about the Golden Phats you seem to be complaining about.

There are numerous ways Jagex can set everybody on the same level playing ground regardless of levels. If they weren't doing the FSW thing, they would still be doing other things like Glden partyhats, Green Santa, Balloons event etc for everybody regardless of levels.

Levels is the least problem to the economy as most of the meaningful items are obtained with SKILLS not in the sense of levels and xp but the actual capabilities of the players to kill high enraged Zamorak, Telos and such, as well as the abilities to do the likes of Croesus and Big Game Hunter. Having just the levels alone but not the actual abilities and know hows certainly won't help any new or returning players to best existing players, thus hardly any issue to the actual economy. On the contrary, when the incoming players are willing to consume, the merr

think the point has been missed here, im on about actual accounts being farmed

like an influx of easily farmed high level accounts almost abusing the events x4 xp and boots to then be transferred to the main game, dump all items in masses to crash things further and then sell the accounts off to people (its a thing unfortunately)

these accounts can max combat in like a week or so due to the afk nature of the game and the xp rates + boons etc

economy is already suffering but not on about boss drops specifically, im more on about the general loot gathered along the way, also market being reset means you can make alot of cash for being the first to get basic items etc and that too will convert to gp and come to the main game

the influx of gold may not come close to plugging the sink but it will affect the market itself, the main concern overall tho is literally the amount of accounts that will be made for illegal purpose




none affects me as i only play my ironman on rs3 now but i do still care for the games health ||
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16-Aug-2022 19:15:39

Dilbert2001
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^^
Your point is not missed, but it is point rebutted by reality.

The influx of accounts from the "golden phat fiesta" didn't do a thing to the RS3 economy. I don't think they really care about levels anyway.

The RS3 economy has never been reset or artificially inflated with Jagex buying up specific items. It is all about player driven economy in RS3.

As I mentioned, levels may only figure in Hiscores that only a smaller number of players care. As for money making, higher level don't always mean better profits as we can see from many lower level resources like Archaeology materials actually sell for higher gp with lesser amount of time required to collect.

Endgame content mostly come from know hows and physical and mental skills instead of xp based skill levels of players. Good players can do 1k enraged arch glacor in T70 or duo/trio Croesus but noobs with even T95 may only be do normal mode Arch Glacor or Croesus mass.

As you wrote "none affects you as you only play your ironman on rs3 now but you do still care for the games health", why do you care about RS3's economy??????????????????

Besides, you only play ironman in RS3, you likely don't know much about the economy and how to make money like the other lapsed or new noobs from FSW later. Really not an issue at all, especially when the "issue" comes from an ironman who never participated in the RS3 economy.

16-Aug-2022 19:45:25 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 19:59:46 by Dilbert2001

Nanashi
Nov Member 2008

Nanashi

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Dilbert2001 said :
^^
Your point is not missed, but it is point rebutted by reality.

The influx of accounts from the "golden phat fiesta" didn't do a thing to the RS3 economy. I don't think they really care about levels anyway.

The RS3 economy has never been reset or artificially inflated with Jagex buying up specific items. It is all about player driven economy in RS3.

As I mentioned, levels may only figure in Hiscores that only a smaller number of players care. As for money making, higher level don't always mean better profits as we can see from many lower level resources like Archaeology materials actually sell for higher gp with lesser amount of time required to collect.

Endgame content mostly come from know hows and physical and mental skills instead of xp based skill levels of players. Good players can do 1k enraged arch glacor in T70 or duo/trio Croesus but noobs with even T95 may only be do normal mode Arch Glacor or Croesus mass.

As you wrote "none affects you as you only play your ironman on rs3 now but you do still care for the games health", why do you care about RS3's economy??????????????????

Besides, you only play ironman in RS3, you likely don't know much about the economy and how to make money like the other lapsed or new noobs from FSW later. Really not an issue at all, especially when the "issue" comes from an ironman who never participated in the RS3 economy.

ive played rs for over 20 years mate, i care about the health of the game so i can play another 20 regardless of now being on an ironman, save this qfc and come see me end of January and we can re-discuss this, not here to argue, just here to point out its a poorly thought out idea and offering feedback which we are all entitled to do yes? ;) ||
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16-Aug-2022 21:07:01 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2022 21:07:48 by Nanashi

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

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^^
If you have played "rs" for over 20 years and you only played IM in RS3, I suggest you to experience the RS3 economy first hand with a new alt. Perhaps FSW is a good time to do it.

At least you can watch videos from plenty of content providers. RS3's economy is not as fragile as the bot infested RS2 and OSRS counterparts because real players don't need to bot to get higher profits than RS2 or OSRS and most really high gp/hr content can't be botted.

I lost count of how many such "save this qfc and come see me nd of blah blah blah" posts have I seen but they are all hidden if not eaten by the Page 50 monster. Actually we can discuss with the effect of "golden partyhat fiesta" already. RS3's economy is hardly any difference than the time of the golden partyhat event.

16-Aug-2022 21:23:04

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