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Mili Manon
May Member 2019

Mili Manon

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Hello,

I’m confused by the clan ‘Citadel Information’ interface (in particular, the ‘View resources’ tab & ‘Job List interface’).

What I Understand
- In the ‘View resources’ tab, the bar for each resource can be red, yellow or green.
- Red shows amount of resource needed for upkeep; yellow, amount for upgrade jobs; & green, amount unused.
- If a bar’s red, there isn’t enough resource & the citadel may get dilapidated.
- Hovering the mouse over a resource shows various counts. I understand ‘Upkeep’ & ‘Upgrades part-paid’ (amount already paid in past weeks for upgrade jobs).

- You can view upgrade jobs & costs in the ‘Job List interface’.
- When you click a job, the bar for each resource can be blue (amount already paid), green (amount paid this week), red (yet to pay) or yellow (unsure what yellow is).

Where I’m Confused
I’m confused by the ‘Total’, ‘Upgrades’ & ‘Surplus’ counts. E.g., for rations this week:

In the ‘View resources’ tab, the counts are:
- Total: 12176
- Upkeep: 750
- Upgrades: -318360
- (Upgrades part-paid: 335160)
- Surplus: 329786

In the ‘Job List interface’, we’ve 3 upgrade jobs:
- Storehouse (T7): 11426 of 15680 rations green; 3623 yellow; 631 red
- woodcutting (T7): 1120 of 1120 red
- Dragon Perch: 335160 of 500000 blue; 164840 red.

I see ‘Upgrades part-paid: 335160’ matches numbers in the ‘Job List interface’ for Dragon Perch - makes sense.

But, what does ‘Upgrades: -318360’ mean? Why doesn’t it match the ‘Job List interface’, which says we need 631 + 1120 + 164840 rations for upgrade jobs.

Also, where do ‘Total: 12176’ & ‘Surplus: 329786’ come from, & what’s the difference?

I think the Storehouse can hold only a few thousand resources; how many resources will be lost as waste at build tick?

Thank you for taking the time to help!

26-Mar-2020 22:45:29 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2020 22:53:56 by Mili Manon

Sicariu
Feb Member 2011

Sicariu

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Hi!

The tooltips for the resource counts appear this way when upgrades are set, so it can be misleading if you're unsure of how they're calculated. The numbers factor in resources that have already been used for the upgrades that are in progress for your Citadel.

Regarding the -318360 for Upgrades, this is calculated as the number of resources your clan has gathered during this week and used for upgrades so far subtracted from the total amount needed to build the upgrades. It reads as a shortage because there aren't enough resources to cover the cost during that week.

Total is the total amount of resources your clan has gathered during the current Build Cycle.

Regarding Surplus, you should also notice a number for "Upgrades part-paid" which is the total amount of resources that have been applied to your upgrades so far. Using this value, Surplus is calculated as: Surplus = Upgrades part-paid - Upkeep + Total

Regarding the Storehouse, the amount of resources gathered that exceeds the required upkeep amounts will first be applied to upgrades that are in progress. If no upgrades require these resources, some will carry over to next week while others are spoiled. Leftover Charcoal, Metal Ores, and Precious Ores will always spoil as they can't be applied to upkeep or upgrades without being used to make bars first.

Here's a helpful section from the Wiki that shows how the Storehouse calculates the resources it stores:



https://runescape.wiki/w/Storehouse#Citadel_Resource_Storage

I hope I've answered your questions. Please let me know if anything needs to be clarified or if there's anything else you need help with. :)

If you need other clan help, feel free to reference the Clan Help v2 sticky.
~ Sicariu
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27-Mar-2020 14:35:43

Mili Manon
May Member 2019

Mili Manon

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Thanks Tren!

Thank you very much Sicariu for your thorough reply. I understand 'Total' & the Storehouse now, thanks. I'm still confused about where 'Upgrades: -318360' comes from. Please may you perhaps clarify?

Using numbers in the ‘Job List interface’, in my post above, am I right saying my clan still needs 631 + 1120 + 164840 rations (out of 15680 + 1120 + 500000) to complete upgrades?

This week, we gathered 12176 rations, minus 750 for upkeep (12176 - 750 = 11426, & I see 11426 went towards the Storehouse upgrade - makes sense).

How do I get -318360 from here?

If you're able to help, thank you v much, but no worries if not.

27-Mar-2020 21:53:09 - Last edited on 27-Mar-2020 22:16:12 by Mili Manon

Sicariu
Feb Member 2011

Sicariu

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You're welcome :)

Honestly, it is a pretty confusing system, and I've tried to ignore certain numbers while managing my clan's Citadel. In my opinion, some of the numbers are just excessive and cause confusion.

To clarify though, I'll use an example from our Citadel because the numbers are more easily accessible to me at the moment. :p

Focusing on Timber:

Our Upgrades: We're currently building 3 upgrades that require this resource. Keep Banners (Grand) requires 7k, Keep Doors (Grand) requires 200k, and Pennant (Grand) requires 22k for a total of 229k Timber.

At the moment, my clan has paid 34,343 Timber towards these upgrades from previous weeks, which ignores all resource gathered during the current week. (Upgrades part-paid)

The tooltip reads as follows:
- Total : 4384
- Upkeep : 705
- Upgrades : -34343
- (Upgrades part-paid : 34343)
- Surplus : 38022

These are calculated as:

Surplus = Total - Upkeep + Upgrades part-paid
38,022 = 4,384 - 705 + 34,343

Upgrades = Total - Upkeep - Surplus
-34,343 = 4,384 - 705 - 38,022

When building upgrades that are not Skillplots, the Storehouse, or the Battlefield, Upgrades and Upgrades part-paid will be the same number with the former being negative and the latter being positive.

Their only purpose is to tell you how much of your resources have been allotted for certain upgrade costs so far, not how much is left to finish them. To finish off the Timber requirements for our upgrades, we need 190,978 more which isn't factored in at all.

Since resources are going towards the Storehouse in your Citadel, the number is calculated differently, so they don't match up this way. From your initial post, the difference is due to the Rations that have been used for the Storehouse such that:

329,786 - 318,360 = 11,426

I hope that makes sense because it's definitely more complicated than it needs to be.
~ Sicariu
Leader of
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- founded 1 April 2013
Need Clan Help ?

28-Mar-2020 06:04:04

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