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Hekkas

Hekkas

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Clans are a key component of Runescape. A huge social area for a lot of players. Yet this seems to be one area of RS that lacks improvement and gets pushed on the back burner.


Yet there are so many issues with the citadel that need addressing.

* visitor count - hard for smaller clans to reach this.
* tracking of capping and visitors - so hard with time zones - sure my boss would appreciate me being awake till 3am to catch clannies online to check this.
* same skill plots - needs changing, have more skills
* revamp of the battlefield, why not use as trial run for group bossing
* having a separate chat group for clan leaders - so you can still use your fc
* being able to assign avatar permission without them having admin rank
* not having to use RS HQ for checking clannies clan xp.
* having skill plot option for all skill plots to lock on gaining upkeep requirements till upkeep is met then they all unlock.
* clans work hard to reach Tier 7 after this upkeep should be scrapped - they have done the hard yards.
* the citadel system is hard to keep up with, it glitches, and surplus - what's with this when you have upgrades you are doing with no need for surplus to happen.
* a proper guide to citadels for leaders - have read many and most are out of date.
* a clan tutorial NPC that can show people new to clans the basic's of how the citadel works, including skill plots and Quarter master & you can get your vex and clan cape from in the one spot.

I have seen large clan citadels struggle with both upkeep and upgrades.

Clans should recruit for what they are about, not to help with citadels, etc. Why can't a clan stay small.
Being a Clan owner or Leader can take a lot of work. Simplifying clans and citadels would take the work load off leaders and give them more time to enjoy playing RS. After all that's why we play right?
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09-Sep-2017 01:28:45

Durgi2

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Agreed.A rework of clan citadel which will help keep track of clannies capping, more variety in citadel skill plots, along with other changes which will help even smaller clans run smoothly, will be very helpful indeed.

09-Sep-2017 02:22:44

Sicariu
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Sicariu

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You're not alone in this. There's quite a number of players, clan leaders and Jmods pushing for clan improvements. I'm just going to make a few comments on the points you've raised here.

* visitor count - hard for smaller clans to reach this.


The visitor count required for upkeep to be met in your Citadel is 5 at all Tiers. The highest visitor requirement is 30 when upgrading T6 to T7. Personally, I feel this is a fair number. Citadels aren't required content.

* tracking of capping and visitors - so hard with time zones - sure my boss would appreciate me being awake till 3am to catch clannies online to check this.


This may be addressed in a future update.

* same skill plots - needs changing, have more skills


Updating this is impossible due to the spaghetti code that makes up Citadels and the Clan System.

* revamp of the battlefield, why not use as trial run for group bossing


This might not be technically possible.

* having a separate chat group for clan leaders - so you can still use your fc


I'd recommend using a 3rd party program, such as Discord.

* being able to assign avatar permission without them having admin rank


This will be addressed in a future update .

* not having to use RS HQ for checking clannies clan xp.


I'd recommend using RuneClan.com instead. ~ Sicariu
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09-Sep-2017 02:26:14

Sicariu
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Sicariu

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* having skill plot option for all skill plots to lock on gaining upkeep requirements till upkeep is met then they all unlock.


I would like this feature. It's possible to do manually, but automation is always better.

* clans work hard to reach Tier 7 after this upkeep should be scrapped - they have done the hard yards.


This is most likely impossible to change due to the spaghetti code.

* the citadel system is hard to keep up with, it glitches, and surplus - what's with this when you have upgrades you are doing with no need for surplus to happen.


Agreed.

* a proper guide to citadels for leaders - have read many and most are out of date.


This would be nice as an in-game tutorial for new clan leaders.

* a clan tutorial NPC that can show people new to clans the basic's of how the citadel works, including skill plots and Quarter master & you can get your vex and clan cape from in the one spot.


Agreed. Much of running a clan is a learning experience.



There are a lot of 3rd party tools that aid in running clans, as well as other groups of players who are willing to give advice and as questions. The only difficult part is finding them.

I have a couple recommendations for you to check out:
Clan Leader Discord
- This Discord server is full of like-minded clan leaders and Jmods who care deeply about clans and their future.

Clan google assist sheets
- Check out the google docs this player made for clan management. I personally use 4 of them, and they're extremely helpful.

EDIT: I would have also recommended you check out the Clan Leader Forums, but you need 50 clan members in order to qualify for access. :(

Regardless, here's the thread to apply if you meet the requirement in the future:
Clan Leader Forum Access V3 ~ Sicariu
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09-Sep-2017 02:26:22 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 02:28:47 by Sicariu

Hekkas

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Thank you for your reply to my post, you make a fair few good points.
However I will agree to disagree over visitor count.

We are a smaller clan of 42 members. We recently recruited and got up to 57 members, of which we had to remove a lot of the new ones. Several started the scamming "drop party & double your stuff" garbage. Others would not respond at all in clan chat or pm's nor visit the citadel, not much to ask for less than 1 minutes effort a week.

We are about friendship and having fun together playing rs. Not join a clan never talk not even a hello, nor be involved in a clan and do nothing with them. What's the point of being in a clan then? We have several members that have become non members due to life commitments, who may or may not come back to rs. We don't want a large clan, we want a smaller clan with clannies being what we are about and we have that.

Every week we battle with visitor count, we have been fortunate so far we have made it. Why discriminate against smaller clans from getting Tier 7 citadel because of visitor count, who cares if it takes them 3 years to get, they still should have that opportunity.

I already use outside sources for clan xp, a shared online excel sheet for tracking xp and capping. One of our keys and myself spend a lot of time each week keeping track of this, even with automated parts of the sheet there is still information that has to be manually entered and checked.

I have been involved with clans and citadels for the last 2 years, in small and large clans. Always helped in citadels and was in charge of a larger clans citadel to get it to Tier 7 from Tier 6. I spent two days researching the issues and why they couldn't get to Tier 7, eventually we got it there.
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09-Sep-2017 05:57:52 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2017 08:43:27 by Hekkas

Hekkas

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Unfortunately we do not meet the requirements for the Clan leader forums and probably never will if it has a minimum 50 clan member count. Two months to go to meet the 6 month requirement.

We do not intend to recruit for the sake of having members to meet this requirement, nor will we recruit again for having enough members to visit the citadel (way too big of a headache).

However we are more than happy to recruit people who want to join a friendly, fun clan that likes doing things together, (mind you we don't always get to do things together but you get my drift).

Once again thank you for your response, I respect you opinion and idea's, always great to see different thoughts and idea's on things it opens new perspectives.

At this point in time would almost suggest they scrap citadels and start again if there is too much "spaghetti code" involved to make changes.
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09-Sep-2017 06:10:27

Sicariu
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Sicariu

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As an overall viewpoint, I agree with everything you've posted. Clans are in desperate need of a major overhaul to accommodate for changes that have come since the Clan System and Citadel were introduced to the game in 2011, "The year of the clan."

Unfortunately, priority for clan updates is almost always pushed back due to the Clan and Citadel code being the most complex section of code for the entire game. :( The fact that it works the way it does is rather impressive, but that doesn't make up for the fact that updating one small thing could potentially break everything.

I also should have worded the part about Citadel visitor requirements a little better, and I apologise for that. When Citadels were first introduced, Jmods had the intention of larger Citadels being for larger clans, and since the maximum member count possible in a clan is 500, requiring 30 to visit for the upgrade to T7 probably seemed like a good idea at the time. I wouldn't be opposed to reducing it.

As my personal opinion, Citadels shouldn't be the main focus of a clan, so if you can't get your members to participate, then you either need to recruit more people who will, or just accept it as being a normal part of your clan. Tier upgrades don't really bring much advantage to a clan, other than increased XP for using skillplots and getting more Avatars.

Unfortunately, after my clan upgraded to T7, participation in our Citadel declined greatly to the point where I need to make constant reminders for people to cap. :( We typically get <15 members to visit our Citadel on a weekly basis, including people who've been asked to cap for us to meet upkeep. ~ Sicariu
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09-Sep-2017 15:32:12

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